kickboxing any good?

[Legend Awakens]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

[JohnnyX]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

:rolleyes:

Here we go!

[YODA]

ROFLMAO

Welcome to MAP :D

Some may say that a few techniques drilled under realistic resistance are worth more than a thousand copied into your notebook or that are too deadly to spar competitively with :D

[alex_000]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

Come spar with me , i'll show you :D

Damn , that was so predictable

[OBCT]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

They train hard, condition hard, spar with real moving people at real moving speed, kickboxing's not for me, did it a few weeks (IAKSA club, also does Lau Gar there) but the people there are very good at what they do. Although i prefer TMA myself, i wouldn't fancy my chances too much against a good kickboxer, or a good MT fighter for that matter. And trust me, the kick/punch will land on you before you've had chance to 'predict' it, by which time the second strike would be on the way.

[rick_nz]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable
Umm & you want people to answer this?:woo:
like Johnny X said " here we go ":rolleyes:
go & train at a kickboxing gym & see/feel how predictable there punches / kicks are & post back your findings (at least that would be a more interesting post )

[moogong]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable


Just because you can predict something does not mean you can prevent it from happening. I can predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning at 6:45 but there is nothing I can do to stop it.

[cybermonk]

Just because you can predict something does not mean you can prevent it from happening. I can predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning at 6:45 but there is nothing I can do to stop it.

Definately, only I can stop the sun.
Well on a less important note, anyone that trains hard should not be understimated.

[Scarlet Mist]

Predictable? Ha. It may be predictable to an extent - but you have to realize that if you opponent has been training hard in kickboxing you will have very little time to predict anything.

[jokerlaughsatu]

remember, a gun only has one technique. wouldnt want to take one on in a fight though

[markyg]

remember, a gun only has one technique. wouldnt want to take one on in a fight though

"Guns are made to be shot, not thrown Harley" :D

[InsaneSocrates]

Definately, only I can stop the sun.
Well on a less important note, anyone that trains hard should not be understimated.

yes! anyone of any style, who trains hard enough will not be an easy kill. the only way to counter this, is train just as hard or harder than your opponent. Train your mind first, once you get your mind ready, then work on physical fitness. anyone can get physical fitness, the mind is the key to fighting of any type..

[InsaneSocrates]

Predictable? Ha. It may be predictable to an extent - but you have to realize that if you opponent has been training hard in kickboxing you will have very little time to predict anything.

Once again, if your fast enough, even if they do see your move they will not be able to counter it.

[cybermonk]

Train your mind first, once you get your mind ready, then work on physical fitness. anyone can get physical fitness, the mind is the key to fighting of any type..

Training your mind before your body results in wasted effort. Once your mind is fully developed and able you will not receive the mind benefits which come from hard physical training.

[Knight_Errant]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

oh god...
Please, please, think about what you are saying before you say it. As for ninjitsu being better than kickboxing?
ROFLMAO :D:D:D:D:D

[TkdWarrior]

ROFLMAO :D :D

You are yet to be exposed to Muai Thai my freind. after that u'll be no more.
-TkdWarrior-

[Twimyo Jirugi]

No, no, no. You don't predict, you react. Predicting requires thinking, which wastes time. Reactions are instant. If you train long and hard enough, your techniques become conditioned reflexes. When you understand this, predictableness goes straight out the window, as it is worthless, especially in fast paced sparring/combat.

[Kirberus]

No, no, no. You don't predict, you react. Predicting requires thinking, which wastes time. Reactions are instant. If you train long and hard enough, your techniques become conditioned reflexes. When you understand this, predictableness goes straight out the window, as it is worthless, especially in fast paced sparring/combat.

Exactly. Even if someone only has moves that seem simple, when drilled enough they become extremely good at them. They will move so fast that if you try to predict them you are already hit. Training until your techniques become a reflex, like Twimyo Jirugi said, is the key to winning a fight.

[InsaneSocrates]

Exactly. Even if someone only has moves that seem simple, when drilled enough they become extremely good at them. They will move so fast that if you try to predict them you are already hit. Training until your techniques become a reflex, like Twimyo Jirugi said, is the key to winning a fight.

well, sure thats the easy and probably the best way. but the best way i can think of is analyzing your opponents moves and reacting with the best action. Although, since i have never experienced this level of thinking, im not even sure if humans can think that fast. If they can, that would definately be the best way.

[Yukimushu]

Come spar with me , i'll show you :D

I'll spar with you :D As long as what you successfully hit me with, you teach me afterwards :D

[Yukimushu]

well, sure thats the easy and probably the best way. but the best way i can think of is analyzing your opponents moves and reacting with the best action. Although, since i have never experienced this level of thinking, im not even sure if humans can think that fast. If they can, that would definately be the best way.


It has to be drilled and practised over and over and over again until it becomes instinctive, then it happens without thought. Much like the instinctive ability to catch something which someone has thrown at you.

[Twimyo Jirugi]

Academics may be mental knowledge; but Martial Arts is physical knowledge.

You learn subjects such as maths, history, geography etc. to know and think about them. But with MA, you learn and condition the techniques into oneself. They become a apart of you (your reflexes), not information which can be pulled up after thinking for a little bit. They're executed naturally, without any need to think. It is not systematic assessement, but your reflexes that will win a fight.

[b33p]

the person with the most knowledge will win :)

[Twimyo Jirugi]

No, the person who can apply the knowledge most effectively will win ;)

One can have a vast amount of knowledge and not know how to use it properly.

[OBCT]

Academics may be mental knowledge; but Martial Arts is physical knowledge.

You learn subjects such as maths, history, geography etc. to know and think about them. But with MA, you learn and condition the techniques into oneself. They become a apart of you (your reflexes), not information which can be pulled up after thinking for a little bit. They're executed naturally, without any need to think. It is not systematic assessement, but your reflexes that will win a fight.

There are 2 parts to the brain. Concious and Subconcious. If you repeatedly train over and over, the body gains muscle memeory, this is the point at which the movement enters subconcious thought, it becomes instinctive.

A good Martail artist will have an academic aspect to his/her fighting, an example being centreline theory in WC, it is an academic idea, that is employed in a fight.
After a while, it becomes instinctive, the MA using centreline theory is still using an academic idea. So MA is not purely physical or mental, it is both.

Bearing in mind also that MA and medicine historically are very close together, it would be a shame to seperate this academic side of MAist from the fighting.

[Yukimushu]

No, the person who can apply the knowledge most effectively will win ;)

One can have a vast amount of knowledge and not know how to use it properly.

10 points for him :)

[b33p]

you would have the knowledge to use it :)

[alex_000]

I'll spar with you :D As long as what you successfully hit me with, you teach me afterwards :D

You'll learn the jab, the cross, the hook the low kick and high rounhouse kick for sure :D

Just playing m8 - nothing implied ;)

Afterwards we'll do some grapplin and you'll teach me every move I submit to (it's gonna be a long night if we do that :D)

[Yukimushu]

Tis all good fun at the end of the day :D

[savage]

plus cardio is way higher in boxing and kickboxing as it is in mma
so your reflexes have something to feed off of for a longer time

[cybermonk]

plus cardio is way higher in boxing and kickboxing as it is in mma so your reflexes have something to feed off of for a longer time

What is that supposed to mean? :confused:

[OBCT]

isn't MMA Mixed Martial Arts ? so often includes boxing, kickboxing, as such could have an equal ephasis on cardio. I may be wrong, please feel free to correct me.

[Yukimushu]

plus cardio is way higher in boxing and kickboxing as it is in mma
so your reflexes have something to feed off of for a longer time

If your trying to say boxing / kickboxing requires more cardio training than that of MMA, then i'd say you were wrong.

MMA bouts go on alot longer than those of boxing or kickboxing (sometimes up to 10mins), where the action is continuous... you cannot clinch and expect the ref to seperate you; nor can you go to the floor and expect to be stood up.

[Tittan]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable
Having done TMA for 8 years now I was still beaten into pulp when I first sat foot in a kickboxing class. Even when we did drills like front-kick, hook, jab, jab, turning-kick slow-motion, and I knew what came when, I got punched and kicked harder than I'm used to.

The difference as I see it is like this:
TMA = One shot, one kill
(Kick)boxing = slowly reduce your opponent to pulp

[notquitedead]

TMA = One shot, one kill
I would have though the early UFC's would have gotten rid of the "one hit, one kill" mentality. :rolleyes:

[Tittan]

I would have though the early UFC's would have gotten rid of the "one hit, one kill" mentality. :rolleyes:
It was sort of a joke, sort of the real deal... :p
Don't take it literally...

[savage]

one hit one kills do not work an a ready opponent or may not even work well at all

[notquitedead]

LOL, one hit knockouts rarely work, I don't put any faith into "one hit kills". ;)

[Yukimushu]

One hit knockouts? :D Pah! Only person i ever seen do a 1 hit KO was Oyama in King Of the Cage, and Mario Sperry in Pride :D Im sure there are many more, but non of them are TMAists :)

Besides, any single hard hit to the side of the jaw is capable of knocking someone out.

[notquitedead]

Besides, any single hard hit to the side of the jaw is capable of knocking someone out.
I know, but it isn't reliable. You can't say "if you attack me I'll just hit your jaw and lights out for you". It's the same with one hit kills, I'm sure they're possible, but HIGHLY unlikely (at least if we're talking unarmed combat... ;) ).

Hmm... I just thought about something. It doesn't matter how many times you hit a guy before knocking him out, because if you just think of it in terms of that last hit, it's a one hit KO. :D You can tell I've been reading one of those weird math threads in the philosphy section, can't you....?? :eek:

[Ikken Hisatsu]

cro cop managed a one hit k.o. on igor :D maybe he has the deadly touch? (or maybe its just that his legs are the size of most peoples abdomen)

[InsaneSocrates]

I know, but it isn't reliable. You can't say "if you attack me I'll just hit your jaw and lights out for you". It's the same with one hit kills, I'm sure they're possible, but HIGHLY unlikely (at least if we're talking unarmed combat... ;) ).

Hmm... I just thought about something. It doesn't matter how many times you hit a guy before knocking him out, because if you just think of it in terms of that last hit, it's a one hit KO. :D You can tell I've been reading one of those weird math threads in the philosphy section, can't you....?? :eek:

your supposed to wait for opening then strike withit..you set it up i think

[notquitedead]

InsaneSocrates...I don't even know what to say. :rolleyes:

It doesn't matter how much you set your shot up or wait for an opening, there is no guarantee your going knock someone out.

[OBCT]

I find the easiest way to knock someone out is from a lock, there is easy to find artery/vein sits on the collar bone, hold it and it cuts blood to the brain. takes about 20 secs though.

As to the one hit K.O, i think its not as much the set up, the skill, power, accuracy or ability as it is luck.

[cybermonk]

One hit knockouts? :D Pah! Only person i ever seen do a 1 hit KO was Oyama in King Of the Cage, and Mario Sperry in Pride :D Im sure there are many more, but non of them are TMAists :)


I think Dan Docherty knocked out a guy with one hit in the Asian championships, Tai chi practitioner :D.

[notquitedead]

takes about 20 secs though.
If you get a good choke in deep, they can be out as fast as 3-5 seconds. If the choke is good, they will be seeing starts within the first second, and soon they'll be out.

[danceofdeath]

Just because you can predict something does not mean you can prevent it from happening. I can predict the sun will rise tomorrow morning at 6:45 but there is nothing I can do to stop it.

damn! noone could have said it better. hehe. never thought of it that way. hehe.

[danceofdeath]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

how? watch mirko crocop. hehe. hell answer your question with a very predictable left roundhouse to the head of his opponent. well there's also mr. axe murderer wandy! lol. hell also answer your question with a very predictable knee strikes to the face of his opponent. hehe. those two are a just a couple of the many effective strikers thatl answer your question. =P

[Yukimushu]

I know, but it isn't reliable. You can't say "if you attack me I'll just hit your jaw and lights out for you". It's the same with one hit kills, I'm sure they're possible, but HIGHLY unlikely (at least if we're talking unarmed combat... ;) ).



Aha! i knew some pedantic person would say that ;), hence the fact i put "capable". :p (now im being pedantic :D )

[Yukimushu]

I know, but it isn't reliable. You can't say "if you attack me I'll just hit your jaw and lights out for you". It's the same with one hit kills, I'm sure they're possible, but HIGHLY unlikely (at least if we're talking unarmed combat... ;) ).



Aha! i knew some pedantic person would say that ;), hence the fact i put "capable". :p (now im being pedantic :D )

You fell for my trap Pankration my friend :)

ps: you managed to get that video compressed yet buddy?

[notquitedead]

No I don't know how to do it.:confused:

[axelb]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable

I love these sort of posts, it reminds me of all them old kungfu films

"Ha, you cannot defeat me, my style is undefeated!"

"you think so huh? you style is weak and predictable"

[Combatant]

The winning post in this thread has got to go to YODA. A classic, and due to be my next sigature :D

[cobrakhanmember]

how can kick boxing compete with ninjutsu or any other arts its just punches and kicks so predictable


itmay be predictable but we do them over and over again so that we have them down to a fine art. then when we fight we don't have to think about them we just do them.That makes us fast. want to spar with me to prove that i'm right :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :woo: :cry:

[jabcrosshook]

As much as it paint me to say it... kickboxing is... USELESS!!

That's right folks. We are predictable sloths who can only punch and kick. We are VERY predictable.

Dude, seriously though, are you being serious with this thread? Why do we learn martial arts in any form? After all, some guy with a gun would kill us all :rolleyes:

[mai tai]

As much as it paint me to say it... kickboxing is... USELESS!!

That's right folks. We are predictable sloths who can only punch and kick. We are VERY predictable.

Dude, seriously though, are you being serious with this thread? Why do we learn martial arts in any form? After all, some guy with a gun would kill us all :rolleyes:

a gun?.....kinda predictable dont ya think

[jabcrosshook]

a gun?.....kinda predictable dont ya think

Yeah, but it's t3h d34dly

[Sever]

Ahhh, don't you just love it when ancient and stupid threads get resurrected? ;)

[jabcrosshook]

Ahhh, don't you just love it when ancient and stupid threads get resurrected? ;)

Nah man - we get to laugh again :)

[Shuri]

Been training in Karate for some time now and ive trained and sparred with a few boxers and kick boxers... Boxers impress me simply because of their conditioning and the fact that they can take a hit and just smile at you.

Now picture that, but then give them the techniques of a Karate-ka and you pretty much have a kickboxer. A good kick is a good kick, a good punch a good punch... The major difference i see is that kickboxers train harder, they are generally more conditioned, and they can really take a hit.............

So you can put any art against a kickboxer and they will have a time with em.. I like kickboxing... I just wish more Karate Dojo's trained with the intensity that kickboxing does.

Ninjutsu??????? Whats that? I dont think its a such thing is it?

[Dusty Larson]

@Original poster

Comparing style "effectiveness" is a dead end argument friend. Don't sweat that nonsense.

Kickboxing as a sport is much more fun than boxing I think, 'cause you get to use your legs. You also have a lesser chance of turning your brain to mush, because you're not constantly eating head shots from fists...you also have to worry about your ribs getting kicked in, but at least the damage isn't as cerebral as time passes.

Definately worth checking out. I'd advise it.

[pulp fiction]

Been training in Karate for some time now and ive trained and sparred with a few boxers and kick boxers... Boxers impress me simply because of their conditioning and the fact that they can take a hit and just smile at you.

Now picture that, but then give them the techniques of a Karate-ka and you pretty much have a kickboxer. A good kick is a good kick, a good punch a good punch... The major difference i see is that kickboxers train harder, they are generally more conditioned, and they can really take a hit.............

So you can put any art against a kickboxer and they will have a time with em.. I like kickboxing... I just wish more Karate Dojo's trained with the intensity that kickboxing does.

Ninjutsu??????? Whats that? I dont think its a such thing is it?

Yeah, it is amazing the condition that these people have in order to take a hit right into the face and continue fighting . I wish I could do that, I can take face hits but not as good as a boxer/kickboxer/thai boxer.