Dit Da Jow

[Martial Mark]

Hello fellow MAPers :D

I am thinking of making my own Dit Da Jow lotion for my Wing Chun practice, I've found a few sites with info on ingredients etc but am a bit stuck as to what to do at the mo.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/magazine/fitness/ditdajow.htm

^ This gives info on the ingredients needed and I took this list to a local chinese herbalist who tells me that 4 of the ingredients are imposible to get in the UK cus 2 are poisoness, 1 is from the snout of an animal that she couldn't remember the name of, and another is really really expensive :confused:

so...... I was wondering whether anyone know where I could get the herbs, maybe ready prepared, or find any alternatives.

I found this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16044&item=3691261990&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

Does anyone think it would be ok getting this, or is there better, cheaper altenatives.

Thanks in advance.

MM

[JohnnyX]

Why not just buy ready prepared ointment? :confused:

[Martial Mark]

Cus its quiet expensive, about £10 for a little bottle was the cheapest I could find, plus it would be fun to do it myself I'm a bit sad like that, I also like brewing beer I spose it could be kind of a hobby. :D

[Late for dinner]

well 1st have you asked your sifu??

second you can go to a local herbalist and tell them what you want they usually have standard recipes

failing that there are tons of recipes on the web...and usually there are bits that are poisonous and or from endangered species...the nature of chinese medicine. you could try the following....go to http://www.hunggar.net/ditda.htm and follow the instructions there

If there are substitutions needed you need someone to make them for you...ie you can use pig bone or possibly chickens feet instead of tiger bone (some recipes would allow this) but you need to look at the different substitutions and see if they make sense together.

Cheers, Pow Choy

[Late for dinner]

dont buy herbs in a bag over the internet!!!!!

you dont know what you are paying for and it could be bad for you

didnt your parents ever tell you not to play with strange medicines

:D

Cheers, Pow Choy

[bcullen]

Hello fellow MAPers :D

I am thinking of making my own Dit Da Jow lotion for my Wing Chun practice, I've found a few sites with info on ingredients etc but am a bit stuck as to what to do at the mo.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/magazine/fitness/ditdajow.htm

^ This gives info on the ingredients needed and I took this list to a local chinese herbalist who tells me that 4 of the ingredients are imposible to get in the UK cus 2 are poisoness, 1 is from the snout of an animal that she couldn't remember the name of, and another is really really expensive :confused:

so...... I was wondering whether anyone know where I could get the herbs, maybe ready prepared, or find any alternatives.

I found this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16044&item=3691261990&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

Does anyone think it would be ok getting this, or is there better, cheaper altenatives.

Thanks in advance.

MM

Actually there are no animal parts in that formula (I've seen others that do use some, though) One of the ingedients is mercury (cinnabar - mercury ore). As far as being poisonus ,eh, *shrug* aside from the mercury. Borneol camphor is very strong not necessarily poisonus unless administered incorrectly (a.k.a injected) or in very high doses. Take a look:

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5831&page=2&pp=15

[Martial Mark]

Cool, cheers for the info powchoy and bcullen, al take what you have said into concideration, am gonna buy the ingredients seperately I think and try and find alternatives.

MM

[kenpoguy]

hi,

I always thought "the advanced iron palm" by Brian Gray was a terrific reference book for the making of dit da jow. In fact, most of the book is about it. If you would like i can post his recipe for a non-posionous version of dit da jow. Its just that the more posiones ones tend to be more potent. Though, this is not to say that the less poisonous ones dont work well enough to do the job. On another couple general notes about dit da jow, I feel i should mention this since you are looking to make you own. As you come across more and more list, research each ingredient and find out what purpose it has. Just becasue something is filled up with tons of ingredients doesnt make it any more potent or better. It all is a combination of what herbs do what. Which herbs promote blood circulation, and which herbs do this and that. And just because someone claims that their sacred recipe has lineage to the shaolin temple, doesnt mean it actually does. and above all keep it out of your open wounds!!

[Martial Mark]

Hi Kempoguy, cheers for the info, if you could post us that recipe it would be much appreciated.

MM

[Nevada_MO_Guy]

I am making a gallon using this pre-made kit.

http://www.ancientway.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=944

[kenpoguy]

Here is the recipe :) I will list it in two parts. Firstly the non posionous herbs, and nextly the posionous. And to save time writing this tonight, I will just write the american names for the herbs, but will go back tommorow to write the chinese names. (I am paraphrasing and quoting Brian Gray's book, the advanced iron palm)

*most recipes use 3/5's of an ounce to 2 ounces per gallon of dit da jow
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THE THREE TYPES OF HERBS ARE
-THOSE THAT REDUCE PAIN
-THOSE THAT STIMULATE BLOOD CIRCULATION
-THOSE THAT BREAK UP BLOOD CLOTS

It is important that these herbs are balanced, but is also pretty important not too use too much of one type of herb

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ingredients:

non-poisonous(no harm will come to you if ingested)*claims his book

Red Peony Root
Dragons Blood
Cat-Tail Pollen
Myrrh
Root of Pseudoginseng
Safflower
Frankincense
Chinese Angelica Root
Aucklandia Root

THE FOLLOWING HERBS WHEN ADDED TO THE PREVIOUS 9 WILL MAKE A POISONOUS, YET MORE POTENT DIT DA JOW FORMULA

ingredients:

poisonous

Peach Kernel
Clove Tree
Rhubarb
Borneo Camphor Tree
Horse Coin(A.K.A. Horse monkey)*most poisonous herb listed

I HAVE GIVEN THE NAMES OF THE POISONOUS HERBS NOT SO MUCH TO PROVIDE SOMEONE WITH THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO MAKE A POTENT FORMULA BUT MORESO AS TO INFORM SOMEONE OF WHAT HERBS TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN USING

[Master Lee]

That book must have some incorrect information because rhubarb is not poisonous. As a kid I ate lots of the rhubarb that was growing in my garden. Have you heard of rhubarb pie? Its a type of pie they sell at grocery stores and bakery's and as you might have guessed it contains rhubarb. So unless there are two types of rhubarb (and I am not saying there is not) it is not poisonous.

[kenpoguy]

Very interseting, as I am not too sure on this one either. From what I can gather though, it is posionous when combined with the previous 9 herbs. The description below is taken from the book about the purpose of rhubarb

Removes Blood stagnation casued by traumatic injury. Spplied to burns, the powdered herb relieves pain and swelling.

[bcullen]

Cat tail pollen (Puhuang) Unprepared pollen can cause contraction of the uterus and therefore it should not be prescribed to pregnant women.

Horse money (Ma Ch'ien) Nux-Vomica Seeds (Strychnine tree)

Potassium oxalate is present in quantity in rhubarb leaf-stems, and certain persons who are constitutionally susceptible to salts of oxalic acid, show symptoms of irritant poisoning after eating rhubarb. Also people with gout should avoid it.

Fresh peach kernal (tao ren) contains prussic or hydrocyanic acid. The drying process removes most of it.

The amounts are the important part, high concentrations of almost anything can be dangerous. Although, I'd go easy with the strychnine and prussic acid. ;)

[kenpoguy]

Thank you very much for noting that :) And it should be also noted that ALL DIT DA JOW should be avoided when a woman is PREGANT.

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

Oxalic acid is found in all areas of the rhubarb plant, but the highest concentrations are in the leaves -- those are the parts that are toxic. When you eat rhubarb, it is the stalk that you are eating.

[Nevada_MO_Guy]

I am making a gallon using this pre-made kit.

http://www.ancientway.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=944

Here is what they list as ingredients:

Fu Zi--30 gm (1 oz. is 28 gm. For convenience, we say 30 gm)
Ban Xia--30 gm
Di Gu Pi--60 gm
Bai Bu--60 gm
Long Gu--30 gm (optional--this is heat-treated cow bone (dragon bone))
Tian Nan Xing--30 gm
Hong Hua--30 gm
She Chuang Zi--30 gm
Chuan Xiong--30 gm
Hua Jiao--15 gm--will be phased out due to new FDA restrictions
San Qi--15 gm
Xue Jie--30 gm
Ru Xiang--30 gm
Mo Yao--30 gm
Ding Xiang--30 gm
Dang Gui--30 gm
Da Huang--15 gm

Add separately after cooking:

Camphor/Borneol Crystals--15 gm
Menthol Crystals--15 gm


The total cost for the herbs listed above is $30.