10 Techniques I can fight with...

[Kiyoshi's Dad]

Ed Parker said something like "give me 10 techniques that I can fight with vs. a 100 that fight me".

What would your 10 Techniques list look like?

[Hapkido]

a mini gun and 99 rounds. id end up getting a double headshot cs style. BOOYAH!

honestly, i dont understand this question.

[#1 Stutta]

I think he's asking what your top 10 favorite techniques are that you learned in MA.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

hmmm... If I could perfect ten techniques-

sprawl
armbar
RNC
ground n pound
lead hook
rear roundhouse
cross
jab
clinch and knee
clinch and elbow

kind of hard to make ground fighting moves into techniques but i tried :D

[alex_000]

I think its good to fight with ten teqniques you've practiced to perfection and thats the plan i have on my mind for a complete fighter - In striking that is.

I'm preety much agree with Ikken on this one.

Jab
Cross
Left and right Hook
Left and right Elbow
Clinch and knee
Rear rounhouse
Frond Side kick
Neck chocke
Low rounhouse-or low kick as we call it.
Grapping both knees with hands to trip one over and sitting on chest to pound his face ( I love that one)

I guess the list gonna chagne some of that after some years in judo wich i'm startin in a month. :D

[Scarlet Mist]

Jab
Cross
Hook
Uppercut
Backfist / Sweeping Backfist
Sau Choi (sweeping hook punch)
Assorted Knee Strikes
Sweeping elbow strike
Tsun Toi (Knee crusher)
Sidekick

[redbull]

hmmm... If I could perfect ten techniques-

sprawl
armbar
RNC
ground n pound
lead hook
rear roundhouse
cross
jab
clinch and knee
clinch and elbow

kind of hard to make ground fighting moves into techniques but i tried :D



I don't think that ground and pound would qualify as a technique, it is more of a strategy.

My 10 techniques would be:

uchi mata (judo)
double leg takedown
arm bar
sleeper
jab
cross
hook
uppercut
round kick
front kick

[Tigermoth]

How about yellow through orange because I've practiced them so many times I could do them in my sleep, upside down, with my tongue tied around my head :D . Well maybe not yet but I'm getting there :rolleyes: . Maybe I should master them on the opposite side before I say that too :Angel: .

1.Delayed Sword
2.Obscure Wing
3.Sword of Destruction
4.Lone Kimono
5.Thrusting Salute
6.Beheading the dragon
7.Escaping Ram
8.Thrusting release
9.Returning serpent
10.Deflecting Thunder
..11.Thunder and Lightning

Go J

[alex_000]

LOL tiger most of your techniques sound like heavy metal songs. :D :D -No offence intended-

[RichieRich]

LOL tiger most of your teqniques sound like heavy metal songs. :D :D -No offence intended-

Yeah, and Beheading the dragon was a B side! :p

[Tigermoth]

Try remembering 55 weird names like that. Of course some kenpo systems have hundreds. I don't know if they name them all though. They all have meanings. Like thunder stands for a kick and lightning stands for a punch. Maybe we should make a Kenpo compilation CD.

[Kiyoshi's Dad]

I like what this thread has done.

A Kenpo Technique is more than just a punch or a kick, it is a Self Defense Technique Combination. It should contain a block, a body movement, a series of strikes or kicks and end with a takedown or knockdown. The names are just there to help us remember the movements and they actually become a language in them selves.

A Kenpo Technique is a stragety to put down an attacker is seconds so you can deal with other attackers or exit. It is not a rigid series of movements, but is alive and can change course as needed.

like my favorite... SWORD OF DESTRUCTION. (as taught to me by my insturctors... don't send my letters saying I'm doing it wrong, please).

Defense against a left punch to the head.
1. left foot drops back to 6 o'clock, left hand comes up and does a half circle parry to your right shoulder, right hand does an extended outward block to the inside of the attackers arm.
2. slide your right foot back into a cat stance, do a snapping ball kick (front kick) to the attackers groin.
3. open your right hand and do a downward knifehand chop to the attackers neck.
(the takedown can be any type, a knock down, another strike or kick, a throw or trip).

I like to think of a Kenpo Technique as being a mini Karate lesson. We learn the base technique then ask ourselves, What if he does this... and What else can I do to him?

[Colin Linz]

10 favourite techniques, that’s difficult. It would be easy to say what my favourite technique is, but 10. I thought I would just pick 5 juho and 5 goho style techniques, that way I can stay within the philosophy of go ju itai. My favourite technique would be Gyaku gote.

Goho
Tsukiten ichi
Uchiuke duki
Tsubame gaesi
Kintekigeri hizauke namigaeshi
Haraiuke chini

Juho
Gyaku gote
Katate nage
Oshi gote
Johaku gote
Sodemaki gaeshi

[Slindsay]

Hmm

1. Jab/Reverse (Can I count that as 1, well Im going to for now)
2. Double punch (Pushing people away from you but with closed hands)
3. Roundhouse kick(As I do TKD I am going to allow myself to not target kicks to a specific body part, I can do them all easy)
4. Elbow strikes
5. Knee strikes
6. Choke holds
7. Kote Gaeshi(Aikido technique even I can do, nice)
8. Irimi Nage(Likewise)
9. Front snap kick
10. Side kick

But thats not entirely in the right order and I cant decide if I have to count hooks as a different technique to the other hand stuff, then I have to lose knee strikes or Irimi Nage and I havent included any floor fighting, face bars and stuff, aarghh! Also do I count elbows and punches as different techniques, they dont feel different to me, they both feel natural!

Plus can I count combos as one technique, if I can I like shoving people away from me then launching a roundhouse? Its all so difficult, theres only one way to sort it out, I need ten volounteers to try and attack me in a really clumsy ineffective manner...

[KenpoDavid]

Although we do have a number of self-defense techniques, we don't use the heavy-metal names for them (that is so ROFL!!!) we use numbers. But I don't think listing the names or numbers really helps this discussion...

A Kenpo SD technique is "designed" to end a fight. That is, if you can execute it properly, the opponent id unable to continue. So I think the original question is, if you could have 10 techniques that you could use at full speed on a real opponent, what would they be?

"DM 14" is a technique that blocks left hook, right hook, then attacks the head and body.

"DM 16" moves to the outside with a parry, re-direct, and shots to the head, with movement to end up behind them.

"Knife 1" a knife defense vs a thrust, to a wristlock, arm break and take down.

"Knife 3" defense vs back-hand slash, with wrist lock and head and body strikes.

"Knife 5" escape from a hold with knife at neck, to an elbow break and head shots.

"Grab 10" a mount reversal

"Grab 8" a choke escape with arm break and body strikes

"DM 9" a straight punch defense with multiple kicks to the knee and body.

"Gun 4" an escape from a gun to the rear of the head, with arm break.

"Run 1" an escape from any situation not covered above...

If I could execute these 10 techniques at realistic speed against a fully resisting opponent (that is "perfect them"), I would be very close to un-muggable.

[alex_000]

"DM 14" is a technique that blocks left hook, right hook, then attacks the head and body.



interesting... i would like to see that in action.

[Tigermoth]

"ROFL"? :confused:

[KenpoDavid]

well, I can't do that (because I don't have a video camera) but here's how it goes

As the attacker punches with a right to the body, block it using a right hand downward palm block while stepping back with the left foot(1). As the attacker follows up with a left hook, block that with a right hand rising crane wrist block(2). (Left low hand positional check) Strike the left side of attacker's face with tiger claw or palm heel(3), then a straight left thrust punch to an open target (solar plexus, face, jaw, etc)(4). then left front kick to groin or solar plexus(5).


(oh wait that's right hook left hook, but it can be done on either side..., just switch left for right :) )

[KenpoDavid]

"ROFL"? :confused:

Rolling On Floor Laughing

[alex_000]

As the attacker punches with a right to the body, block it using a right hand downward palm block while stepping back with the left foot(1). As the attacker follows up with a left hook, block that with a right hand rising crane wrist block(2). (Left low hand positional check) Strike the left side of attacker's face with tiger claw or palm heel(3), then a straight left thrust punch to an open target (solar plexus, face, jaw, etc)(4). then left front kick to groin or solar plexus(5).


Thanks a lot. As a boxer I would advise you not to block a hook with the wrist/or hand (if you want to keep your fingers that is , + is very difficult to catch it with so small curfaice area - your wrist.) We just lift the elbow and the hitter hurts a lot more , if not break something...

But hey that's just me talking crap , I guess you have a way to do it that works. I'd love to see it in motion.

[Tribalweapon]

I don't know the names to alot of these so bear with me.

Arm lock palm thrust from straight grab
Jab
backfist sweep
armbar from guard
left right combo from mount(ground and pound)
rear leg roundhouse
spinning side kick
straight punch to body
left leg front thrust kick
upper elbow
arm trapping headbutt(can't be used in sparring but works fairly well in self defense)

Like I said, I either don't know or can't remember the proper names for these moves

[KenpoDavid]

Thanks a lot. As a boxer I would advise you not to block a hook with the wrist/or hand (if you want to keep your fingers that is , + is very difficult to catch it with so small curfaice area - your wrist.) We just lift the elbow and the hitter hurts a lot more , if not break something...

But hey that's just me talking crap , I guess you have a way to do it that works. I'd love to see it in motion.

The initial block is across the body and down, more of a re-direct than a hard block of the hook. if I mis-time it and miss the palm heel, the forearm covers it... the scond one is rising under the atackers arm, again if my aim is off the forearm makes the deflection. Thansk for the advice, I see what you mean aobut gettign fingers smashed, but these aren;t hard blocks with the wrist and hand...

[d33pthought]

Do combos count?

If they do, I'd like to perfect the:
Roundhouse/back roundhouse
Shin block/hook kick(same leg)
Jumping roundhouse (I always kill my hip when I try this one)
Blocking/evading a side kick or front kick
Hook kick/back hook kick
Getting in close enough to a kicker to give a good right cross
Block, knee, and sweep (it's a 1-step)
Pretty much every wrist/arm lock

um..I just noticed this was on the kenpo forum..oh well

last one would have to be hitting a nazgul in the face with a burning stick at 50 feet.

[Kiyoshi's Dad]

Kenpo David hit it right on the head. Kenpo SDTs are designed to end to fight. thanks David.

and yes combos do count.

think about a certain attack, lets say a "right round house punch" to the face. how would you defend against this type of attack? remember you need to end the confrontation quickly because he may not be alone.

what techniques would you use to put him down and out?

[hapkidofighter]

i think- if i had ten techniques to use- that were perfect- id try to keep it pretty simple but good techniques
jab
cross
hook
hip throw
shoulder throw
front kick
side kick
round house kick
spin back kick
cresent kick

[alex_000]

The initial block is across the body and down, more of a re-direct than a hard block of the hook. if I mis-time it and miss the palm heel, the forearm covers it... the scond one is rising under the atackers arm, again if my aim is off the forearm makes the deflection. Thansk for the advice, I see what you mean aobut gettign fingers smashed, but these aren;t hard blocks with the wrist and hand...

I'didn't undertand you were talking about re-directing the force. That may work bery well, if someone is capable to do it when he should.

[d33pthought]

we did a onestep against hooks to the face today..kinda like the 'Oh **** I'm About to Get Beat' drill. Basically, you sidestep in, and block/grab the punching wrist. Then you grab the punching fist, turn it over, and step under that arm's elbow to break it over your shoulder.

Or, if you're a slow mofo like me, you could always block/sidestep as above, and chop to the neck or collar bone. That should do it also.

[Indestructible]

think about a certain attack, lets say a "right round house punch" to the face. how would you defend against this type of attack?


1 Right inward chop block,floating right foot, hips turning left.
2 right chop to the throat, left heel palm to the chin, hips turning right.
3 right sword hand to the solar plexus, hips turning left, floating foot sets down.
4 left hand eye gouge, left foot cross-stepping behind right.
5 right chop to the back of the neck, unwinding from cross-step into hard bow. 6. right heel hook to face on his way down.

[KenpoDavid]

think about a certain attack, lets say a "right round house punch" to the face. how would you defend against this type of attack? remember you need to end the confrontation quickly because he may not be alone.

what techniques would you use to put him down and out?

We have anumber of techniques for this basic attack (addressing different variables). One of my favorite we refer to as "Number Three" (no that would not make a good heavy metal song title :( )

Step left foot to outside and forward, while re-directing the punch to your right with a left cross-body parry. Under that left hand parry, strike to attacker's rigth side short ribs with a vertical punch. (this much I've been able to do against fully resisting opponent :D)
Now, with the left hand, after the parry, contour the left hand up to the attacker's right shoulder and grab their shoulder or upper arm. As you pull downward, strike to the temple with rigth vertical punch, follow-through this strike to reach the attacker's opposite shoulder (their left) with your right hand.
Now, step back with your right foot, twisting the attacker's shoulders to throw them onto their back at your feet. Finally, strike straight down into theri solar plexus (or other favorite target).

[Kiyoshi's Dad]

It's getting good now. Real creative Self Defense Techniques.

Let's do another. The attack is a 'right kick to your groin'.

[KenpoDavid]

Well, this one I have just learned...

step back with right foot with a downward x-block (oh no! not an x-block! LOL). bring hands up and seperate them outwards, raking the face of the attacker. Circle both hands back inwards and jab thumbs into eyes of attacker. Right front kick to groin or solar plexus.

I just learned it so I'm not real tight on the practicality or the finer points...

[mcraigchr]

I'm just a pup in Kenpo (Orange Belt), but my favorite technique that will actually work is call Triggered Salute.

Of course, depending on the situation, you may only get as far as the first move, which is simply brilliant. Most fights (in my experience) start with a one handed push. Statisically speaking, a right push.

Trap the attackers hand with your left hand, step forward with your right leg, at the same time extend your right arm and hand where your palm is facing upward. Let the persons push rotate your right shoulder forward.

WHAP! Under the chin with a palm heal and you use no personal force whatsoever. The force of his push just made him bite through his tounge or, if hard enough, he is spitting teeth.

There is more to the technique. In most cases, this is the end of the fight.


Craig

[EarthElement]

Trap the attackers hand with your left hand, step forward with your right leg, at the same time extend your right arm and hand where your palm is facing upward. Let the persons push rotate your right shoulder forward.Craig

I'm just curious, how do you go about doing all of this in the half a second the push takes place? Do you grab him as hes pushing you or while hes pulling back his arms back to resting position?

[mcraigchr]

I'm just curious, how do you go about doing all of this in the half a second the push takes place? Do you grab him as hes pushing you or while hes pulling back his arms back to resting position?


I thought the same thing. A push is usually slow. In the experience I have had, the push is more of an intimidation technique than an assault. The attacker simply wants to have his hands on you and be in your space. But to answer your question more directly, the process I described goes quickly. As soon as the attackers hand touches your shoulder you trap it with your left hand, then step forward with arm out and palm up letting the force of his push (borrowed force) rotate your shoulders and hips.

It works wonderfully. If you aren't comfortable going to the inside of an attack, you can stay on the outside with variations of other techniques. i.e. Thundering Hammers, Crashing Wings. All very effective and usually after the first hit, the fight is over.


Craig

[jasonservis]

seen this one couple days ago had to think it over better late then never I guess
top 10 techniques

sidekick
sweeps/varies on situation
wrist minipulation
armlock(crossed type )
elbow strike
palm block/ use to redirect mainly
jabs
dragon tail throw
knife hand
armbar(standing)

be forgiving I'm only a yellow belt
Iprefer a more aikido type stance over all so far, but
do pivot and drop into a looooow horseriding stance

[getgoin]

Aggression of steal toed boot in groin, A and B
Dance of steal toed boot, A and B
Winds of bat, A and B
Loeb of distruction A and B
Key filled throat A and B
Dance of the 45 A and B
Ramming Dodge 1500 A and B

A is for standing opponents
B is for when the person is down or out, either way.

[ninjas-r-us]

the one move i have won more sparres with than anything else is

nanan!!!! back kick!!!it never fails try bocking a train hitting you

[kickass]

oh man, i love and hate back kicks. love them cuz they're powerful and hate them cuz i broke my arm trying to block a back kick (i was so pissed at myself, i couldnt believe i let it happen :eek: )
anyway, if i had to choose 10 techniques:

1) jab --speed
2) reverse --power
3) front kick stepping forward
4) side kick/ skip side kick
5) hook, backfist combo
6) jack knives
7) exploder
8) bicycle kick
9) knee to the face --ouch--
10) hook kick to the temple

[TkdWarrior]

Thanks a lot. As a boxer I would advise you not to block a hook with the wrist/or hand (if you want to keep your fingers that is , + is very difficult to catch it with so small curfaice area - your wrist.) We just lift the elbow and the hitter hurts a lot more , if not break something...

ouch... I learnt that hard way man, hard way... most people in MA learn hook not unlike in boxing... they hav so much distance b/w their elbow n body while hooking, they r easy to catch... but boxer hooks are close, ur elbow never looses ur chest touch still hits the other person :D,
moreover a good hook will be hidden b/w ur coolest movees ;) (aint' that truth for every cool moves).

anyways I wont go for top 10 techniques.
give me, Hook, roundhouse, jab and stomping,

techniques reminded me of old post I made its intresting, so I m bringing that up again
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1835
-TkdWarrior-

[Knight_Errant]

My favourites;
1.Jab- the workhorse of any fighter's striking arsenal
2.Straight kicks, particularly with awesome power
3.Straight rights, again, with awesome power
4.Roundhouse kicks-pow! kersplatt!
5.body shots-wind him!
6.Seoi nage- throwing people over your shoulder rocks.
7.Tanni otoshi- ha ha! gotcha!
8.The mount- pound him into oblivion!
9.the 1-2 combination- simple, but effective.
10.The back kick- Teasing for when verbally antagonizing your opponent is just not enough.

[UFC_JIM]

all muay thai elbows
wing chun blocks and parries
harai goshi, like a hooked hip throw (judo)
russian sambo knife defences (no arms)
an inner thigh kick,
single wing choke hold,
and a snap and go manoeuvre to be used with multiple assailants russian combat sambo (special forces)
capoeira style kicks (hands touvhing floor for balance and gives more power)
an aspect of wing chun's evasive steps

not exactly techniques but effective (not the breaks) in competition fighting and in street situations, i created my own hybrid style of martial arts which is effective and usable when under the influence of alcohol.

[Mr. Mike]

TigerMoth, you must train Parker? What association?
those techniques are the same as mine, names and order. Refreshing.

I don't find too many people here that go by that...they seem to be more traditional.

Anyway, for the ten different techniques to be listed, I would need ten different attacks, since each technique would most likely be in defense of a particular attack, and not having four favorite techniques for say a left round punch.

whoops, jsut saw how old this thread was...sorry for the resurrection...I have no life I guess :D

[Tigermoth]

We do Ed Parker Kenpo through IKCA just like you :) . So we do 60 techniques. I know you said you'd need specific attacks but you have to have favorites or ones you're more proficient in. My instructor asks questions like this all of the time. He likes to challenge us and get us thinking. He's even given us research assingments. There's also no harm in resurrecting an old thread either if you can learn something new from it.

[Mr. Mike]

very cool...how far are you in the system?

I graduate blue on the 26th of this month.

right now, my favorites have to be:

Left Punch: raking hammer, triple kick
right punch: trapped lightning, circling serpent
bear hug front: thrusting release, clapping tiger
rear bear hug: escaping ram, otherwise I like to upset balance and flip.
kick: hooking thunder, or grab leg and pull in for soemthing very bad :woo:
hammer lock: captured wing
shoulder grab/sucker punch setup: hidden wing

the punches listed are mostly in the case of straight punches, for round, I use raking hammer, returning serpent, and thunder and lightning...all on both sides

otherwise for things like headlocks, shoots, or attempted throws, I like to simply deflect and throw, which isn't something kenpo deals with a whole lot, but it's more of an individual thing.

Later

[Tigermoth]

I'm 3rd brown should be 2nd brown soon.

Oh if we're talking favorites that's another story.
Most effective favorite would have to be attacking warrior for me, just because I really understand its applications. We use it in sparring practice. Funnest favorite is definitly stinging butterfly because I like jump kicks. I think it would be hard to do really accurately and could be blocked fairly easily, but it's still fun. I like hooking thunder too. I had a junior student argue that it wouldn't actually work. Lets just say I proved him wrong. I think he has a new appreciation for leg grabs. I didn't hurt him, just "lernt him sumpn" ;) .

I was going to give you some advice for your test but it sounds like you have it covered. I don't know if you've started working on green techs yet but my advice on that is: from the beginning look for the differences in Gathering the dragon and Up the Circle, practice this part of the master form a lot it starts getting confusing :confused: , and Broken Lightning is a tough one :eek: .
From your list it sounds like you enjoy the more challenging techniques so you should like green stuff.
Good luck on that blue test though. :D

[Mr. Mike]

thank you.

Stinging butterfly is definitely a fun technique, although I still weigh 280lbs, so jump kicks aren't really my forte'.

AS for the leg grab :D I use it all the time in sparring...my partners almost never kick anymore :cool: there is one brown belt, who is testing for black very soon, who likes to use the crescent and quick kick in a flurry which up till about 6mos ago was unstoppable against others...then I got him...every time :o
I humble another black belt by taking his sparring boot off every time he kicks...kinda wastes the time, but it is a lesson to be learned.

Do you also have "endings"to your techniques? Specifically the required ones that you must learn?

[andrewS]

Jab.
Cross

Double leg takedown
Tripping takedown from double underhooks.

RNC
Mount
Knee-ride
A guard
Escapes from underneath in the mount

I reckon that's enough against the average joe, I don't expect them to know side control, knee-ride or anything like that. Hmm, but no hooks/body rips which is a shame :( And, how could I forget no sprawl?

nope, 10 techniques isn't enough for me.

[oni_sensei]

1. Rear Naked Choke.
2. Sidestep.
3. Cross.
4. Hook.
5. Dollyo Chagi (Roundhouse).
6. Yop Chagi (Side Kick).
7. Seoi/Ippon Seoi Nage.
8. Japanese Armbar.
9. Ridgehand.
10. Kote Gaeshi.

[munkiejunkie]

1 roundhouse
2 ude gatame
3 hadake jime
4 jab
5 cross
6 hook
7 kubi nage/tai otoshi
8 juji gatame
9 morote seoi-nage
10 ahsi-kubi gatame to half-boston crab

[Tigermoth]

See how good it can be to revive an old thread. You learn all kinds of new things. You may not know what they mean but they sound really cool. What's a half-boston crab, and what's a rear naked choke :confused: ?

Yes, Mr. Mike we do have alternate endings. Probably once or twice a month he goes over all kinds of possibilities and asks us what would work with this, or what else could you do here, how could you blend and borrow. Lately we've been adding one extra strike to most of our techniques when we work on the dummy, or when we use a weapon.

Do ya'll do the line drill and the semi-circle drill?

[Mr. Mike]

rear naked choke:

http://bjj.org/techniques/jen/tech8a/4-3.jpg

yeah, we do the line and semi-circle drills...one I have been having alot of fun with is the mass attack drill, where you are attacked randomly by as many as 20 people and you don't need set techniques...just what works...borrowing, improvising, etc.

[Infrazael]

Jab
Cross
Hook
Uppercut
Straight or Sweeping Elbow Strike
Sao Choy (diagonal overhead strike)
Gwa Choy (sweeping backfist)
Bil Jong (can't explain)
Teep
Roundhouse

[munkiejunkie]

this is a half boston crab

[samuri-man]

chudan-mikentsuki
jodan-gyacotsuki
chudan-gyachostuki
chuduan-mikantsuki
jodan-mawashigeri
chudan-mawashigeri
jodan-uda-mawashigeri
tetsui
nukite
hip throw

and the walls of jerico

i'm not sure if that's legal

[munkiejunkie]

this is a walls of jericho

[Mr. Mike]

the walls of jericho...in a fight? Please say you're kidding.

[samuri-man]

it could work (in a radical case)

[ZKenpo]

What a hard choice, I guess if I had to chose my favorite "Old Bessy" they would be...in no particular order


1 Leaping Crane
2 Attacking Mace
3 Five Swords
4 Reversing Mace
5 Deflecting Hammer/Thrusting Salute.....tie
6 the bear and the Ram
7 Parting winngs/Hooking Wings....tie
8 Detour from Doom
9 Circling Fans/Protecting Fans....tie
10 Deceptive Panther