Sparring: Favourite Techniques...

[Helm]

Ok, i just just wondering what your favourite techniques were for attacking and counter-attacking.
This can be for either WTF or ITF, but you must choose an attack you would commit yourself to against an opponent you have not sparred against before.

Attack: Switch stance (skipping slightly forward) if they dont move, double half turning.

Counter Attack: Front-leg pit kick to head (like a chopping kick where you bring the leg up bent) bring it up straight to the cheek, snapping my opponents head back. Love this one =)


Both my attack and my counter-attack are 'safe moves'.

[TkdWarrior]

not competition sparring i guess...
then
freindly sparring:
i'll prefer the idea of "let him attack first, but u should hit him first"
so it's like pre emptive striking, interception, is my favorites i know these r not techniques but frankly even myself don't know what i gonna do against my oppnt...
-TkdWarrrior-

[Labatt]

There's too much faking going on in sparring these days. It gets ridiculous. I remember the good ol days, when we would just go at it, no mind games, just going crazy on each other.

NE way, I admitt Im into the head games and fakes too.

Switch stance twice, make sure your your back leg is your good leg and go for a a back kick. You will open your self up, but if you keep your hands up, move back, you can catch your opponent in a mistake.

I don't know why ppl only go for roundhouses for counters for back kicks. Use a back kick for a counter. They will never expect it! Think about it, your opponent is usualy covering his chest and abs, leaving his face open. Execute with a quick and powerful back kick to the head.

[Helm]

Yeah, i like changing stance a few times then throwing the back kick, its damn good.

I've back-kicked people in the head a few times, totally by accident.
I also like to block others' back-kicks by bringing up my leg and putting it on their back, so they cant get the full rotation on the kick, its amazing.

Yeah, theres loads of faking in sparring, not enough commital. Coming out blasting in the first round always scares people =D

[Labatt]

That's what I do in tournaments. They never expect it!

Don't you just hate it when you kick a harsh roundhouse and ur opponent blocks it with his elbow?

OUUUUUUUUUUCH! That hurts like a b!tch! So painful, yet im used to it so much, it dosn't effect me. The adreanaline takes over.

[Cain]

Don't you just hate it when you kick a harsh roundhouse and ur opponent blocks it with his elbow?

lol! I am not much experienced in TKD, but I sure am familiar with that feeling :D

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[TkdWarrior]

OUUUUUUUUUUCH! That hurts like a b!tch! So painful, yet im used to it so much, it dosn't effect me. The adreanaline takes over.
u havn't been here dude :D our fighters r expert in elbow blocking ;)
-TkdWarrior-

[Helm]

Originally posted by Labatt
That's what I do in tournaments. They never expect it!

Don't you just hate it when you kick a harsh roundhouse and ur opponent blocks it with his elbow?

OUUUUUUUUUUCH! That hurts like a b!tch! So painful, yet im used to it so much, it dosn't effect me. The adreanaline takes over.

Yes! i hate that sooo much, last tournament i went to i could only use my left leg in my last fight because my right had a big black bruise right on the joint. Hurt like hell.

[Labatt]

I need some leg bads that cover my ENTIRE foot. If there is such a thing.

[TkdWarrior]

there r shin pads which r designed specifically for this purpose :D
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

Just a tip I thought might be useful to deal with that nasty elbow blocking -

I assume that this happens when they block your mawashi geris with their elbows, I will simply refer to this kick as a snap kick for the sake of my poor fingers :D

Ok, now I notice that this kind of thing mostly happens when you kick to the ribs, where their elbows naturally exist, here most people after chambering their kick shoot it out in an upward slanting motion hence the elbow hurtin' you,

But if you shoot out the snap kick from the side then to block the kick they would have to reposition their elbow, thus making it look deliberate, anyways, I dunno if elbow blocking is legal here.....

Same thing when the head is the target, after chambering, bring the kick so that it shoots out from the side rather than an upward slanting motion, so that again he will have to reposition his elbow, forcing him to bring his arm up.......may not work everytime but it's worth a try...........but maybe this tip sux, since I am no taekwondoist :D

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[Artikon]

Elbow blocking is legal . . . but not. It's kinda a grey area, but as soon as the foot comes above the waist it can be a target. If there's "accidental" contact between the elbow and the instep it's typically regarded as just an occurance that happens in the ring. As long as it isn't blatant and meaning to injury the person usually it won't be penalized.

I "accidently" broke a fellows foot, doing this and it truly was an accident . . . bugger still continued the match and beat me though. How's that for guts.

[TkdWarrior]

<I "accidently" broke a fellows foot, doing this and it truly was an accident . . . bugger still continued the match and beat me though. How's that for guts.>
he must hav pissed off to the point :D

cain nice idea but it's worthless IMO
cuz normally TKDist normally use this kick as a intiaters, if u use high kick as opening move then chance is that u get KO by ur oppnts counter(a good counter is Hook kick, seen jaw broken by those :D crap !!!)
first thing is u should open up ur oppnt's stance(it's closed when their elbows r proctecting their ribs), i'll prefer using my hands to open them up. anyways i m not much of sparrer...

-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

i'll prefer using my hands to open them up.

Actually it's illegal in here to grab the opponent's arms and set the apart, I prefer going inside and givin' a few solid punches to their torsos forcing the buggers to stick their arms to their torsos which they call as 'guards' :rolleyes:

A few punches to their forearms that way and it will easily be swollen making them think twice b'fore blockin' next time :yeleyes:

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[Cain]

but then of course u hv to go in with caution othewise u could get quite a few kicks in ur face in ur way to ur opponent.

Seriously speaking it's quite hard to get to ur opponent in punching range.......the infamous straight blast may be the answer here......

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[Tosh]

Favourite???

Jumping spinning turning kick, I just love it.

Not the most efficient though only use it to show of....like the 360 that's only come off twice!!

Counter: Back kick, back.... also a big fan of sucking it up and going for the straight blast.... fight fire with fire.

[johndoch]

Yeah u gotta love the mad kickin techniques that u would never use on the streets. I pulled off a reverse spinning turning kick a few weeks ago and caught my sparring partner right between the shoulder blades. which I thought was quite good coz iam about 5'9" and hes about 6'6".

I think to pull these kinda techniques u have to fit it in during a combo. When I pulled this one off I slipped outside his right cross and followed with a left legged round kick from southpaw then followed with the right reverse turning kick.

[Helm]

One time i kicked a 6'8 guy in the head (im 5'7) damn that was nice.
I LOVE getting headshots, wheelkicks are nice, they hardly ever work because you gotta be loose to throw a good one and when im sparring and throw one im always off-balance.
But chopping kicks are damn good, impossible to block, and you can bring them up real fast, try a chopping (axe kick) next time you spar.

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Helm

But chopping kicks are damn good, impossible to block, and you can bring them up real fast, try a chopping (axe kick) next time you spar.

Easy there tiger........

They are also very good at making you vurnerable if your guy is crazy enough to come charging at you firing off punches!

Also if you miss you are left quite flat footed... :(

[johndoch]

My favorite sparring techniques are the ones that work;)

[Helm]

Originally posted by tosh_spice


Easy there tiger........

They are also very good at making you vurnerable if your guy is crazy enough to come charging at you firing off punches!

Also if you miss you are left quite flat footed... :(

Im mostly coming from a WTF perspective, and you dont ever attack with punches (unless your legs are busted, then in which case you'll be on the ground) the chopping kick is fast and direct, and once up you can switch it for a cresent kick, if they come in closer you can bring it on their face and twist the hips and move sideways out of it. Its also very mis-leading, i catch people with it all the time.

[pgm316]

You could also be very off balance with those kicks if your opponent wants to take to ground. If your confident enough with your kicking that this will be difficult for them to do, fair enough ;)

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Helm


Im mostly coming from a WTF perspective

I was only making a dig at your "impossible" to block comment.

[grandmaster mat]

i let them try attack me first, look for an openin then blitz them:D when ppl attack they tend to leave some places open

[HKD]

Originally posted by Helm

But chopping kicks are damn good, impossible to block, and you can bring them up real fast, try a chopping (axe kick) next time you spar.
yeah right,
nothing is imposible to block or stop. come at me with an ax kick and i could block it, stop it and through U on Ur face in B 4 U knew what was going on.
a bit of advise, ANYTHING can be countered.

[Helm]

Originally posted by HKD

yeah right,
nothing is imposible to block or stop. come at me with an ax kick and i could block it, stop it and through U on Ur face in B 4 U knew what was going on.
a bit of advise, ANYTHING can be countered.

K, but im telling you putting up an arm won't do alot, and blocking with your head don't count.

I was mearly using it as a suggestion as i've found it works for me.

I heard one time someone said you couldnt block a axe-kick and HKD totally uppercutted a hippo and kicked him mum in the face!

The fact is, when i have my foot in your face in a chopping kick, if you move towards me, i move away because of the pressure from your face on my leg. Pretty much all you can do is not be there or twist your head away and mutter "not the nose".

Its a lateral kick, straight line so its most effective at any range as you dont have to be at a certain distance, and by leaning back you can increase the range as you bring it down. Gotta be kinda flexible i guess...

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Its a lateral kick, straight line so its most effective at any range as you dont have to be at a certain distance, and by leaning back you can increase the range as you bring it down. Gotta be kinda flexible i guess...

So you're bringing your leg high, within reach of my arms, and leaning back to increase the range?

Oh yes, please do, pretty please.

I know the kick you're talking about, yes, it can be effective, but it isn't even close to unblockable. A simple deflection will send it off course, and you off balance. Or if I'm feeling particularly mean, step off the line of the kick, catch, and sweep at your remaining leg. If you catch the leg high then you're fairly safe because you don't have to contend with the downward momentum.

[Helm]

Ofcourse im saying its only effective when you catch people with it, if it misses, it sucks thats for sure....but you don't throw it all the time, but its a really odd kick to throw and i seem to catch people with it 90% of the time i throw it, and if i don't i can bring it straight up again into a defensive side-kick.
I seemed to have annoyed people saying this.......why? Just saying, no-one ever throws 'em....try it.

[HKD]

Originally posted by Helm




I heard one time someone said you couldnt block a axe-kick and HKD totally uppercutted a hippo and kicked him mum in the face!


i heard i would use a low spinning hook kick gainst Ur ax kick and broke Ur neck, i heard i used a low round house and U landed on Ur head, i heard i steped up and counght the bend or Ur leg on my shoulder and threw U on Ur face. U said it couldn't be stoped i just said thats a bad attatude to have anything can be stoped. if U miss which im sure U have meny times thin the kick has been stoped.

[pgm316]

I heard that too :D

Its a high risk kick, really depends how its used and in what environment to how effective it'll be.......

[johndoch]

My thoughts on the axe kick

1. Never been caught by one.
2. Been caught plenty of times with much more economical kicks ie side, front, round.
3. Never landed an axe kick
4. tried it and got punched in the B*lls
5. Looks good but is it that economical a kick

[Helm]

k, HKD if your really fast enough to throw a hook-kick after i throw the axe kick and have it hit me without you taking a shot to the face, then fine.
Also HKD you're being very hostile, WTF's up with that...i already implied its an open discussion, stop being so negative man.
I also note your not a fan of RealUltimatePower, else you would have gotten the uppercutting a hipo thing, which you totally missed.

[HKD]

im not being hostil, U just said it was unstopable and i just said nothing is unstopable, and gave U reasons why it isn't. Ur the hostil one all pissy cuz U don't have the RealUltimate kick

[Helm]

i came accross hostile? i said it was the ultimate kick?

Seems your the only one mate, and for what its worth im sorry.

[grandmaster mat]

o stop bitchin girls! it may be the ultimate kick for him, maybe no one can stop his axe kik, somethin to think about:D

[Helm]

lol, who can stop a kick that can (somehow) cut down trees?!

[Andy Murray]

I just wanted to ask you TKD fella's n femma's if you felt there was a risk of Hyper-Extending the knee joint when/if you land an Axe kick with force?

[TkdWarrior]

i'll tell andy there's not risk of that but if u don't control it u might hit the heel on the ground itself n get hurt pretty easily... :D

talking about axe kicks, they r fairly easy to stop
either from WTF or ITF prespective i hav seen this using in competition sparring. the time we go into bit real sparring mode this kick is non existant...
because distance is most important factor in this kick, it works even beyond kicking range(kicking range 4-6 feet). if u allow holding/grabbing in sparring u don't want to use axe/snap kicks at all, i dunno but here we learnt how to counter those kicks with grabbing/locking n u don't even need to learn aikido for that :D

after getting grabbed n locked each n every kick we(mostly my teacher) started devising mish mash of those techniques, most short kicks which can be done at even punching range at good height :)
-TkdWarrior-

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
I just wanted to ask you TKD fella's n femma's if you felt there was a risk of Hyper-Extending the knee joint when/if you land an Axe kick with force?


Yes, that's why IMO they are only useful against smaller opponents (than you- natch) :D.

I've seen some hooooooorrrrrendous injuries come about from

A) Axe kicks being blocked and "held up" - note this is not "holding" so no warning :P

B) Axe kicks being deflected

C) Two axe kicks (one from each player) missing the body and one kick snapping the other guys knee as it landed...

That was at my first comp..... not the greatest confidence boost I ever had :D

[Andy Murray]

Seeing as you're around Tosh;

Do you guys have a term for an outside-in Axe Kick?

Say you and your opponent had a right lead, but you threw the kick with the left leg, but instead of chambering across your body, you just popped the kick over his near shoulder clockwise?

[Tosh]

Hmmmm, Woould have called it...

" ...an outside-in axe kick " :D

I'm sure it's got a "proper" term and I've certainly practised them.

However, from a competition perspective this tends to lead the body quite open until you land the kick so I don't really use it.

I'll consult "the book" though its bound to be there somewhere....... I'll put an early bet in for Annuro Nearyo Chagi

" Inwards, Downward Kick"

Could be massively wrong but likesay :P

P.s. These are ITF phrases before anyone moans

[Helm]

"out-side in axe kick"

Yea, pretty much your standard cresent kick with less swing, i use that sometimes too, not very powerful at all, but its something.

Actually i use that unless im too close to bring the leg up in the axe kick fashion.

Anyone ever been knocked out in sparring? Or got hit real hard? I seen a lil kid get kicked in the face and go down, and one time doing body-conditioning i wasnt paying attention and got wheelkicked in the face.....that hurt, some nice stars and mouth ulcars. ;D

[Tosh]

Never been knocked out but I've had the stars appearing.

Hit hard? ooooooohhhh yes.

Ref came in to break us and the guy got me in a head lock and put everything into an uppercut........ that's when the stars appeared..... standing 8 count thanks very much...... Still won the tourney though! :D

First time I went to a "open" competition I got a real wake up call from a 6'2" kickboxer..... yep think Lesley Ash but with a shaved head......urgh

[HKD]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
I just wanted to ask you TKD fella's n femma's if you felt there was a risk of Hyper-Extending the knee joint when/if you land an Axe kick with force?
yeah a friend of mine hurt his knee doing it. he was really flexable so when he through the kick his knee could touch his shoulder. he didn't hurt it to bad thought. so it could happen

[HKD]

Originally posted by Helm
i came accross hostile? i said it was the ultimate kick?

Seems your the only one mate, and for what its worth im sorry.
i wasn't meaning to sound bad, i was just giving my point. no harm done

[Artikon]

Woo been away a bit, that's what I get for moving.
Okay axe kick . . . one of my favorite kicks. I'll agree with Helm it's a great kick for tournment sparring (at least WTF) but for practicality I would never do it in the street unless some guy bent down and presented the back of his head to me :yeleyes:

Andy to answer your question about specific term for outside axe kick. . . .the term would be bakat naeryo chagi. Bakat meaning motion from outside, naeryo meaning downward motion, and chagi meaning kick. The spelling is phoentic so don't quote me on the spelling ;) Tosh you're right about the inside axe kick BTW. Think that's more of the formal way of saying it though . . . I'd just say An naeryo chagi. Not sure, still studying korean so I'll let you know

As for the other questions about being hit or hitting people with and axe kick. I've been hit hard with one. Got caught flat footed in my last tourney and got tagged right underneath my eye at the bottom of the eye socket. Hurt like a bugger. I've also tagged my fair share of people in tourneys with it, and it's effective at a couple different ranges . . . but not practical for street . . . did I say that already?

Last thing I promise
A) Axe kicks being blocked and "held up" - note this is not "holding" so no warning :P

In wtf this is a warning and you will get a half point deduction for stepping in and even holding for a second. Rule is under I think article 14 of the WTF rule book, don't quote me on that either I don't have my copy in front of me right now. The warning is because it becomes a danger with having one foot in the air and the player possibly falling and hitting their head on the ground or being injured some other way. I'd call it.

Okay for real last thing.
Does anyone practice a "chambered" axe kick. We call it chamber because we chamber our knee all the way up to our chest then unfold the rest of the leg and drive it down. Great for close in with not much room to bring your leg up. Anyone possibly call it something else?

Cheers

[Helm]

Originally posted by Artikon

Okay for real last thing.
Does anyone practice a "chambered" axe kick. We call it chamber because we chamber our knee all the way up to our chest then unfold the rest of the leg and drive it down. Great for close in with not much room to bring your leg up. Anyone possibly call it something else?

Cheers

Good reply BTW :D

Yeah, we use this kick alot, actually instead of the standard axe kick.

Bringing the leg up bent and explosively snapping it out straight, we call a Pit Kick. This is probably my favourite kick, we also train using a variant for which we have no name. Basically we throw a double-halfturning (either or both legs) and as this brings you in close immediately throwing the leg up bent and straightening it out to either hit with the bottom of the foot, or if they are facing striaght-on, using it in a cresent. Really a great kick, good for attack and counter-attack.

[Labatt]

I don't know why, but it's so hard to land a good kick these days. Maybe were just becomming better at sidestepping, and blocking?

[Labatt]

I do alot of double kicks, double round house. Double side kick with the same leg.

1 to the lower mid section to fake your opponent out, and then quickly snap your leg back and snap it to there face. Pretty sweet if your good at it.

[Helm]

Yea, it is damn hard to make a good hit, people are too fast and the sport very advanced.
Double kicks are good, you cant just rely on one solid kick now. I also like bringing a half-turning up, and twisting my body, but delaying the kick for a microsecond and then snapping it up high, using my right leg it comes up behind them, and often they dont see it. Also holding my leg on my opponents head and pushing and then scrambling trying to get it off :)

[Artikon]

In wtf this is a warning and you will get a half point deduction for stepping in and even holding for a second. Rule is under I think article 14 of the WTF rule book, don't quote me on that either I don't have my copy in front of me right now. The warning is because it becomes a danger with having one foot in the air and the player possibly falling and hitting their head on the ground or being injured some other way. I'd call it.

FYI. That ruling is under article 14 section 2. No idea how I remembered that from the book off the top of my head.

[Cain]

Hmm.....double kicks....I do one, bring it back downlanding on the ball of my foot while keeping my weight on the supporting leg and spring my kickin' leg back to shoot another one......used to do this as an exercise b'fore but it sure works :D

Also the stomach face combo is commom......never tried this b'fore but a face - stomach combo might be a good idea...

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[Tosh]

Originally posted by Artikon


term for outside axe kick. . . .the term would be bakat naeryo chagi. Bakat meaning motion from outside, naeryo meaning downward motion, and chagi meaning kick. The spelling is phoentic so don't quote me on the spelling ;) Tosh you're right about the inside axe kick BTW. Think that's more of the formal way of saying it though . . . I'd just say An naeryo chagi. Not sure, still studying korean so I'll let you know



Actually these phrases are commonly misused:

Here's a break down

An = Inner or Inside
Bakat = Outer or Outside

Annurro = Inwards, movement moves towards centre line
Bakaro = Outwards, mocvement away from centre line

I tore ankle ligaments and was out for 6 months which I spent pretty much improving my terminology. :D

[Tosh]

Originally posted by Artikon

In wtf this is a warning and you will get a half point deduction for stepping in and even holding for a second.


I think I was a bit crappy in my explanaton there <slaps self on wrist>

If you blobked it say with a cross fist/knifehand or rising block :p you would get 1 point for the perfect block (if it was perfect) and no doubt the other person would fall so you they would get the warning.

ITF though you understand! :)

[Helm]

Ya, in ITF...sure....with your 'I' and all that business.

But WTF, peeps be all looking for the half-turning point kick, so an axe-kick suprises alot of people.

[Labatt]

The back spinning kick.

Ahh, my favorite kick, and im the best at it at my school.

I could land them when I was a kid, but no it's literaly impossible, the time it takes is too long, even if your the fastest. I Remember landing a good jumping back spinning kick, and the reaction it got from the crowd. I lost, but I was on TV!!!!

[Helm]

You were on TV?! TKD on TV? OMG!

Best thing i ever saw was my m8 who does TKD with me landing a wheelkick on a MUCH more experienced opponent.
Oh! i got a video of it too!
Hes done TKD for like 2 years and this guy hes sparring against has done it for like 4 years and trains in Korea and europe and stuff.

Oh, my FTP's down, i'll post a link later =)

[HKD]

Originally posted by Labatt
The back spinning kick.

Ahh, my favorite kick, and im the best at it at my school.

I could land them when I was a kid, but no it's literaly impossible, the time it takes is too long, even if your the fastest.
that was one of my best kicks. try it from really close. move in on ur guy and clinch or to jam his kick. when U break lean on him him when he leans back against U, U do Ur jump spinning back. U can't do it to much they catch wind of it unless there stupid U may could land it 2 or 3 times. for me twice was the limit. and don't clinch to long Ull lose points

hkd

[Labatt]

I usualy try a jumping back kick when im in a clinch. The back spinning kick leaves me volnerable, very resky. Also, a back kick can do more damnage.

[HKD]

not if U do it right, as there leaning in U step back and kick. there still coming in so they don't catch tehmselves till U kick them.

[Helm]

Ya its risky for sure, you either get it dead on, or from that range they can turn their body making a deflection highly likely and leave you with your ass on their chest.
Thats what happened to me at my last compo anyhoo...

[HKD]

no, as Ur delivering the jump spinning back Ur moving back and so even if U miss Ur still in a good position to protect Urself. unless U just clutz and U fall on Ur ass.

[Helm]

Well thats kinda difficult, under WTF rules you're not allowed to push, and to create the kind of distance to make a good impact, you'd have to move quickly backward, i.e. skip, and put yourself off-balance.
I know what you mean tho.

[HKD]

well i don't mean to push them off of U. (may have said push them in my earlier post but i shouldn't have) i ment lean in enough for them to lean back against U then, do the jump spinning back kick.

[Tosh]

Originally posted by HKD
no, as Ur delivering the jump spinning back Ur moving back and so even if U miss Ur still in a good position to protect Urself. unless U just clutz and U fall on Ur ass.

Why does this mean you are going backwards??

Why can't you do it on the spot or even going forwards???

[HKD]

U can't Bcuz Ur partner is leaning in on U so U need a little space or he could jam Ur kick. remember Ur leaning on him so naturally he's going to lean or push U away to get U off him. thin Ur moveing backward and jump spinning back POW!!

[Helm]

Originally posted by HKD
. remember Ur leaning on him so naturally he's going to lean or push U away to get U off him. thin Ur moveing backward and jump spinning back POW!!

So hes pushing you know, but thats against the rules....

Although this in-fighting works against some really good fighters, getting right up close, working their body with your hands (if puching is allowed) and using the half-turning as soon as they step back to get into their more comfortable kicking range.