muy thai good or bad?????

[leo]

i recently went to gran canaria and attended a thai boxing club i fought there best fighters and i thought it was very easy, but no one wud fight the instructor, nowe i know why, i did fight him and hes the second best fighter ive ever fought and i have fought world champions ect (kickboxing) so now i cant decide whether muy thai or kickboxing is better, he kicked my ass although i did actually win cus i completely buggered his knee.

the only real weaknes i cud see in a muy thai expert is his ankles which are easily broken.

what are ur thought on teh weakneses and strenthgs of thai boxing and kickboxing

[alex_000]

Muay thai is in a way "better" than kick boxing as a MA that is. The reason is that muay thai has no rules and uses all body parts , without gloves so there is no sport in the hole thing. Thai boxing is muai thai as a sport, its mostly like KB with elbows and knees added and slightly diferent fighting stance and philosophy.

About the ankles are easely broken thing... why is it a weakness for the muay thai expert and not for other people? People who do muai thay have week ankles :confused: , i dont know what you mean. And broken like how? Kick the ancles? There are better places to kick.. Maybe you mean they break their ancles more frequently from other styles usually from full contact sparing and kicking trees .. :) .

I do Kick Boxing by the way , but have worked on my elbows quite a few , and my knees just for some good grab and kick teqniques

Strenghts/Weaknesses

Kick boxing : weakneses.1) RULES RULES. lots of RULES if you wanna be a baddass on da str33t you must learn to forget about the rules and learn how fight with no rules. KB wont teach you that. 2) Usually no knees and elbows and sometimes now low kicks - ultra n00b style-
3) If you are a KB'er without any cross training-no matter how mutch time you've trained in KB - , you can easely be defeated if a grappler gets you on the ground. Ground is like fighting in water for a kick boxer .. Totaly out or style mentally and teqnically. In KB you don't even learn to get up properly (when attacked or not)

strengths : 1) Full Contact sparring no points and stuff 2) Boxing hands and way of training -meaning strength training , weight lifting and stuff- lots of bagwork , top physical condition.3)Strong kicks and punches equally emphasizes on strengh and speed without sacrificing one for the other. 4) Usually results to pretty powerfull stand up fighters as a result of all these ..5)Will satisfy your Belt lust - U taking too me? I'm a Black Belt D34dlY fighter MF..-

Muay Thai: Weaknesses 1) Not as mutch grappling/throwing and no ground work. 2)As a sport it has some rules but definetly not as bad as KB. Francly I dont believe MT rules say are mutch of a problem but i must mention it. 3)Too hard on training and sparring you get injured a lot more/worce than KB. 5) Don't know how a MT fighter would react on the ground but i don't expect much more tha a KBer -coulb be mistaken here-

strenghts : All of the KB positives exept 5 + More of an MA and less spoty philosophy. 4)Full body usage. 5)They kick A$$ , and they have steel legs and knees.

Cource I dont train in MT but thats the way i see it.

[Matt_Bernius]

i cant decide whether muy thai or kickboxing is better, he kicked my ass although i did actually win cus i completely buggered his knee.
Just curious, what did you do to his knee?

[leo]

he went to kick me i moved at the last minute and the force of his own kick injuredit and as soon as he landed the kick i kicked it hard

[leo]

alex have you tried korean kickboxing, thats what i train in, its similar to muy thai, when u train and spa there are no rules u can even use kungfu moves ect with ur kickboxing and all teh elbows and knees, however i agree on the competeing side, i entered one competetion and never again there are way too many rules, muy tai rules are much better, i prefer to train for the streets like u do.

[alex_000]

I try to train for da str33t as much as i can but it took me a lot of time to get those rules out of me ,I also punch the bag barehanded a lot and try to hit it only with elbows and knees from time to time to adopt the teqniques . I dont know how much all these pay off but i do what i can. I havent tried korean kickboxing there isnt even a Muai thai school in my town lol ..

[Mawi]

leo who ever you fought wasn't that great. Becuase Muay Thai is the one art that makes you shins, knees,elbows and legs iron. If you fight a good muay thai fighter his body is like a rubber band his muscles are very very condtioned. Where did you fight this so called muay thai expert... Korean kickboxing came from muay thai, every kicking boxing style has came from muay thai. What you see in the ring is not all of muay thai. There is lots go standing grappleing involved and also i have never fought any one that has weak knees. You said you fight world campions.... leo i think you are just another of thous guys that come in here and say they can beat muay thai but in reality they can't even do a roundhouse right. I got a tip for you go to thailand and tell me how you broke the oppents knees LOL. Kickboxing started cuz some white guys went to thai land and broght it back to the westren contrys and gave it boxing rule with kicking ofcoruse. I have seen korean kickboxing before btw the koreans take other styles from other contrys and make them there own for example they took Karate and made it TKD then they took muay thai and named it some odd name and made it there own. They never made it they stol it. So i would like for you to tell me where you fought world class fighters and how you break knees LOL. Its funny how the muay thai guy broke his ankles and knees. Its funny what comes up on the internet this days what a lode of BS. :eek: ( i hate peolpe like you BTW all talk and stupid) ( if you are korean i don't care you hear me but all the koreans do is rename things)

[leo]

dude, read the post again, i never said i broke his knees or his ankles, what do u think i am a sychopath???? and muy tai origanated from kung fu by the way.

no matter how good a fighter is he is not unbeatable, even a rookie can beat a good martial artist, u seem a very cocky fighter, dont underestimate ur opponent or over estimate urself.

knees of steel????? conditioned and very hard yes, but if his knees are unbeatable then y do muy tai fighters still kick to the knee????????. think before you speak.

and as for world champions, look at wales, thats where i live, we have several world and european chapions and with a population of 4 million its not hard to travel around, i used to be trained by a world champion, richard reed, look it up if u like and i am now trained by his instructor chris who is a world known fighter and the bester fighter i have ever met.

so please if u want to make attacks on ppl, make sure u get it right first cus ull end up makeing a fool of urself.

[leo]

id also like to point out i never said i was a better fighter than him, i just got lucky, personaly id say neither muy tai or kickboxing is perfect, cross training is much better.

[leo]

u say we stole muy thai????? the kicks in korean kickboxing are not the same as the kicks in muy thai, yes korean kickboxing is a modified or semi stolen martial art but it wasnt muy thai, its kickboxing and taekwon do, and just to inform u we condition our knees ect but it dosent mean they are unbeatable.

u need to be less cocky and open to different styles of fighting, muy thai is a great art, but no art is perfect and no fighter is perfect, it only takes one mistake in a fight to lose it.

[iamraisen]

i think muay thai is a more complete martial art than western kickboxing, though i must admit i know nothing of korean kickboxing. kcikboxing in england is over regulated and a lot more common than muay thai. the average kickboxing student is around sixteen in classes ive seen, while the average muay thai fighter seems to be around 20 thus there is alot more contact and alot harder training. my teacher puts us through the same training he went thorugh when he learnt in thailand, and it is a dangerous MA so there is inevitably injuries.
both kickboxing and muay thai are solely striking arts and are both vunerable if a fight gets taken to the ground however in competition fights are stood up, and in the street, ground fighting full stop isnt advisable as it is never one on one and you'll proabably get a kick to the head! lol

[Khun Kao]

Leo....

Can't really comment a great deal on the disparity in your sparring experience. It may be that the students that you sparred with were the less experienced students. Was it a beginner or advanced class, for instance? Or perhaps the instructor hasn't been teaching that long, and his students aren't yet up to snuff? It could plain and simply be that he is not that good of an instructor. From what you say, he is a good fighter, but that doesn't mean he is a good coach.

Others have already addressed strengths/weaknesses, and started a flame war about it, so I'll just leave it at that, LOL

[leo]

that is precicaly y im not sure how good muy thai is, i attended both beginers and advanced classes, but have no idea how long these ppl have been doing muy tai for, as for him as a couch, hes very good but not brilliant, but a very good fighter

[Mawi]

all right then if you think you found the weakness in mauy thai and that korean kickboxing and beat it so be it. I really don't care for all i now you are a fat boy that likes to post BS online. Are you a good fighter? Did you sparr them or fight them? I didn't show any cockyness all i said was the facts. The koreans only take whats out there and rename it and make it weaker BTW. Taekowndo was made by a dude that trained in S.... Karate and becuase the japs where in korea for a long time thats how it was born. It wasn't from a ancenit korean art. 2 i don't only limt my self to muay thai i have learn westling and BJJ ( a little ), BJJ and muay thai are the dominateing styles in MMA at the momment. IF you combine the two it can make you well rounded fighter. I some day would like to join K1 but its not going to be ez. You said you beat what weight class fighters?.... Show me some proff of that, ( do you think i am stupid enough to belive you). I have respct for peolpe but not onces and come and here and say things with no facts and also we have talked about this so many times it gets a little stupid. I seriouly don't care what you say because chances are you are just posting things that never happend. There was this guy that said my master can beat Cro Cop... one of the funnyest things i have heard you are just like him, you are just like him. you think its easy takeing hit after hit (pain)and hearing the peolpe yell and stuff i don't think so. Who have you beaten? Have you been beaten? I am not here to in way to degrade you but to say that you have no proff for us to see. I would like to see you fight a muay thai fighter from thai land. How old are you? Whats the bad about muay thai? Whats diffent in korean kickboxing? Well what can i say..... Khun Kao is right i am sick of this meaningless threads......... [COLOR=DarkRed] :confused:

[leo]

mawi you keep makeing big mistakes, i said i fought world champions i never said i beat them, and i never brought muy thai down, i like the style.

as for the weakness in muy tai, y are u getting all stroppy about that, all styles have weaknesses

[Mawi]

mawi you keep makeing big mistakes, i said i fought world champions i never said i beat them, and i never brought muy thai down, i like the style.

as for the weakness in muy tai, y are u getting all stroppy about that, all styles have weaknesses


tell me it? whats mauy thai's weakness, TKD's is no hands and bonuceing and snap kicks.

You said it was weak but how? tell me so i learn

[Mawi]

I don't like you period. lets leve it at that mybe :rolleyes: . MY fingers are getting tired of typeing, i think i need to run for a while. ( i wish i saw you fight then i might have repect for you other than that...... nothing )

:eek: Have you fought Cro Cop?

[leo]

im all up for stopping this argument, i dont dislike you i just think u are takeing what i say the wrong way, i complimenetd muy tai by saying i cud only find 1 weakness in it, i never brought it down.

the weakness i cud see was when you throw a roundhouse kick you go up on your toes, in korean kickboxing there is one powerful sweeping technique that can easily break an ankle if someone is on their toes no matter how much they conditioned.

i havent had my ankles broken thankfully but i have had very bad injuries from that particular sweep.

so can we please stop arguing now, there is no need for it, i think you have just misunderstood my posts

[Mawi]

sir we do that for speed. And we can spin faster that way. I am sorry if i pissed you off but i dislike some one saying this that have no facts in them. BTW the sweep you are talking about do you have to put your whole body down and sweep or just sweep from standing. Because Muay Thai has that also but i don't recall any one with broken ankels..

[leo]

sir we do that for speed. And we can spin faster that way. I am sorry if i pissed you off but i dislike some one saying this that have no facts in them. BTW the sweep you are talking about do you have to put your whole body down and sweep or just sweep from standing. Because Muay Thai has that also but i don't recall any one with broken ankels..

yes its the one when u throw ur self to the floor, the front one not the back, its used alot in my club, i hate that move, when i said tkd kicks are fast i didnt mean muy tai kicks are slow, but they are slower than tae kwon do howver teh muy thai kick is more powerful, so it depends on the situation u r in on which kick u choose to use

[Mawi]

well i did TKD so my kick is a hibrid to be onest but i think the muay thai kick is more pratical in a fight.
Even if you block it it goes threw you ( depend on the person who does it). a TKD however is a snap but really don't hurt much..

[leo]

i agree the muytai kick hurts more, i use the tkd one just for keeping my oponent away from me and for kicks to the solar plexus which does wind u alot, a muy tai kick to the leg is easier than a tkd kick to the solar plexus or kidney but both have the same result just one is faster and the other stronger than the other.

i look at lots of styles and choose which style/ moves suit the situation best and most cleanly, i dont like fighting dirty.

my strtegy fighting the muy tai guy was, stay off balance so when he hits me i just move backwards and absorb it cus there wernt much else i cud do, although actually it wasnt really a stategy lol, its just called getting ur ass kicked and haveing poorly shaped feet so u can balance properly unless in a strong stance.

[Sagat]

( if you are korean i don't care you hear me but all the koreans do is rename things)

mawi r u korean?

[alex_000]

the weakness i cud see was when you throw a roundhouse kick you go up on your toes, in korean kickboxing there is one powerful sweeping technique that can easily break an ankle if someone is on their toes no matter how much they conditioned.


That doesnt mean that there is something wrong with the roundhouse kicks. The reason they use the toes is to have more speed .

If someone kicks you above waist level (no matter what kick) and you low kick the knee of the foot that steps on the ground you'll cause a great deal of damage (if the knee is not bent) , no matter if the attacker is on his toes or not. That doesn't mean that all kicks above waist are a weakness for their MA. There are counter attacks for every move .

[Scarlet Mist]

well i did TKD so my kick is a hibrid to be onest but i think the muay thai kick is more pratical in a fight.
Even if you block it it goes threw you ( depend on the person who does it). a TKD however is a snap but really don't hurt much..

That must be because you've never been kicked hard enough. I've used chambered round kicks off my front leg no less, pulled power to boot, to knock the wind out of sparring partners ... and I can't even kick that well.
Not only do you disrespect TKD (you must have gone to a bad TKD school) but every post I've read from you in this thread has been offensive.
And you're saying Muay Thai has no weaknesses?
Well, I've never done Muay Thai before, and I've never sparred an MT fighter. But I have seen Muay Thai fights. I've seen fighter swing their kicks, miss and subsequently lose their balance because of the follow through. Isn't that a weakness? Since you're swinging so hard with so much torque, if you miss don't you shift off balance?
Note the question signs, I'm asking.

One more question. Isn't MT conditioning bad for your shins? Aren't over calcified bones more brittle than normal ones?

[Mawi]

mist if you miss you do a spining back fist or a back kick. Its simple for example when you follow threw if you have a good heel kick you can combine them in two. Well most muay thai guys really don't spin all the way. And most muay thai guys are so condtioned it don't matter if you kick them when they miss. Note the muay kicking stytem is from the toes to the knees so you can kick at any given range. Well mist you might call that a weakness but if you work hard on keeping your balnce you will not lose it. Mist the teacher at the TKD school is a 6 star black belt and is a korean army trainer, how can that be bad TKD. Also the school wins lots of state tounments. TKD is TKD no matter what words you put it in. There is a kicking bag where it tell you how hard you hit it... the TKD guys all range from 170 to 240 kg the muay thai fighters go from 400 kg all the way up to 700 kg. Why you mgith say its the hip motion when you put all your weight and trun with lots of speed you kick very hard ( try it at home at first you might not be as good at it but once you get it its good, you cna combie your TKD kick and a muay thai kick .) The problem why TKD student never get hard kick is A- there masters only want them to score ponit and constanly tell them to snap it as fast as they can ( not to hurt your oppent). Even when i went to tournments my kickboxing firend got kicked out because he KOed a guy...... 2- they mostly have guys that are below the 150 ib range mostly skinly guys so there legs aren't condtioned and can't stand pain. 3- TKD masters never want there students to weight lift because there kick will get slower and they can't do HIGH JUMPING FLYING KICKS. 4. They kick with instep makeing it hard on the bones in there foot cause pain when kickign elbows or knees. 5- The bounceing, so they don't get good tracktion when they trun and kick. 6- they never have any froum of hand movements that distract there oppent to kick the persons head. In Muay thia if you wacth closely they high kick in combos but a lot of TKD guy jsut try to kick your head and it never hurts..... I have gotten kick in the head with a TKD guy and all he got where ponits it never stuned me one bit. Mist you told me before that TKD is not what you study but If you want to have a good powerful kick use your hips and make you legs to BATS ready to hit as hard as possbile. ( a world class muay thai fighter can break 3 bats with a low kick if they try that in TKD your foot would be broken....) I never have seen a guy fall over cuz he missed a kick thou... not yet at least... :D I hope that wasn't offensive in any way

[alex_000]

Man you have to learn to use paragraphs or press enter sometimes :D

[redbull]

im all up for stopping this argument, i dont dislike you i just think u are takeing what i say the wrong way, i complimenetd muy tai by saying i cud only find 1 weakness in it, i never brought it down.

the weakness i cud see was when you throw a roundhouse kick you go up on your toes, in korean kickboxing there is one powerful sweeping technique that can easily break an ankle if someone is on their toes no matter how much they conditioned.

i havent had my ankles broken thankfully but i have had very bad injuries from that particular sweep.



lets be realistic here u are not going to pull that of with someone who is any good at MT, these guys hardly kick face level unless they feel u'r hurt, most kicks are mid section, and if by any chance u do then u are just going to piss the guy off. MT fighters are the best physically conditioned fighters around, techniques are simple, and they are not afraid to get hit.

by the way have u ever been hit with a mt round kick?

also if u watchc mt fights from thailand u'll notice that they hardly ever kick the legs because they are too good at defending leg kicks

[redbull]

That must be because you've never been kicked hard enough. I've used chambered round kicks off my front leg no less, pulled power to boot, to knock the wind out of sparring partners ... and I can't even kick that well.
Not only do you disrespect TKD (you must have gone to a bad TKD school) but every post I've read from you in this thread has been offensive.
And you're saying Muay Thai has no weaknesses?
Well, I've never done Muay Thai before, and I've never sparred an MT fighter. But I have seen Muay Thai fights. I've seen fighter swing their kicks, miss and subsequently lose their balance because of the follow through. Isn't that a weakness? Since you're swinging so hard with so much torque, if you miss don't you shift off balance?
Note the question signs, I'm asking.

One more question. Isn't MT conditioning bad for your shins? Aren't over calcified bones more brittle than normal ones?


man u must have never felt a mt round kick, believe me when i tell u that they feel completely different when u get hit, i done both ma and the mt kick hurts 100 x more the reason is the area that they hit with, all in all tkd kicks are more powerfull because u can rotate u'r full body into the kick which u cant do with the mt round kick cause u'll be hitting whith the muscular part of u'r shin, u want to hit with the bone, MT kicks just hurt so much more than tkd kicks. it feels like u got hit with a baseball bat.

[leo]

lets be realistic here u are not going to pull that of with someone who is any good at MT, these guys hardly kick face level unless they feel u'r hurt, most kicks are mid section, and if by any chance u do then u are just going to piss the guy off. MT fighters are the best physically conditioned fighters around, techniques are simple, and they are not afraid to get hit.

by the way have u ever been hit with a mt round kick?

also if u watchc mt fights from thailand u'll notice that they hardly ever kick the legs because they are too good at defending leg kicks


i have been hit alot by the roundhouse kick, and mt fighters go on their toes for low kicks aswell as high, in my experience with muy tai fighters there has been ample oppuortunitys to execute that mave, the foot work i use for a roundhouse type kick may be less powerful but u r flat footed and ur foot is already positioned for better speed and protection from sweeps b4e the kick is made.

[nicolo]

oh christ, I'm getting a headache from reading all this...

[leo]

lol, this was supposed to be a discussion not an argument, oh well

[Scarlet Mist]

mist if you miss you do a spining back fist or a back kick. Its simple for example when you follow threw if you have a good heel kick you can combine them in two. Well most muay thai guys really don't spin all the way. And most muay thai guys are so condtioned it don't matter if you kick them when they miss. Note the muay kicking stytem is from the toes to the knees so you can kick at any given range. Well mist you might call that a weakness but if you work hard on keeping your balnce you will not lose it. Mist the teacher at the TKD school is a 6 star black belt and is a korean army trainer, how can that be bad TKD. Also the school wins lots of state tounments. TKD is TKD no matter what words you put it in. There is a kicking bag where it tell you how hard you hit it... the TKD guys all range from 170 to 240 kg the muay thai fighters go from 400 kg all the way up to 700 kg. Why you mgith say its the hip motion when you put all your weight and trun with lots of speed you kick very hard ( try it at home at first you might not be as good at it but once you get it its good, you cna combie your TKD kick and a muay thai kick .) The problem why TKD student never get hard kick is A- there masters only want them to score ponit and constanly tell them to snap it as fast as they can ( not to hurt your oppent). Even when i went to tournments my kickboxing firend got kicked out because he KOed a guy...... 2- they mostly have guys that are below the 150 ib range mostly skinly guys so there legs aren't condtioned and can't stand pain. 3- TKD masters never want there students to weight lift because there kick will get slower and they can't do HIGH JUMPING FLYING KICKS. 4. They kick with instep makeing it hard on the bones in there foot cause pain when kickign elbows or knees. 5- The bounceing, so they don't get good tracktion when they trun and kick. 6- they never have any froum of hand movements that distract there oppent to kick the persons head. In Muay thia if you wacth closely they high kick in combos but a lot of TKD guy jsut try to kick your head and it never hurts..... I have gotten kick in the head with a TKD guy and all he got where ponits it never stuned me one bit. Mist you told me before that TKD is not what you study but If you want to have a good powerful kick use your hips and make you legs to BATS ready to hit as hard as possbile. ( a world class muay thai fighter can break 3 bats with a low kick if they try that in TKD your foot would be broken....) I never have seen a guy fall over cuz he missed a kick thou... not yet at least... :D I hope that wasn't offensive in any way


:headache: .... Hey, Mawi, I would appreciate it if you used more punctuation. Some paragraphing maybe? That kind of reading is hard on the eyes.
But back to the point. Now, I not only want to kick hard, but to kick fast as well. I'm sure you can see that swing your leg like a bat has to be slower than snapping a kick from the knee. Personally, I kick with my hips, pivoting, but I use a snap from the knee. If I swung the leg, it would be telegraphing, opponents could see it coming, and it would be slower. However, if I keep the foot tucked back and snap it out at the last moment, while pivoting and pushing through the target, I get almost as much power as if I swung the leg. And it is faster. Also, after I have gone through the assumed target, I pull the leg back to avoid it being caught.
I also use sidekicks a lot. There faster than round kicks, no?

[Kagebushi]

no

[Mawi]

i have fought JKD guys and they got the best side kicks and i have avoided them with a simple side step.

Mist i am sick of you saying i do this, this way so What. Frankly from now on i don't care what you do. But don't go off thinking you get lots of power because we all now muay thai kicks have the most power. And how ever said muay thai fighters get ther legs caught... Whatever man.. I really don't care no more i fell like ever word i type will never make you understand the power of muay thai ( i would rather kick you and see what you think). This has no ponit to it how can we even understand each other with simple words. I my self have experince i with both kicks so i got the right to talk but you haven't done muay thai so you wouldn't even understand.


The shin kicking takes time to condtion and make it powerful you don't just go out and do it. You don't now what a muay thai kick is like when the fighter trains hard and makes he kick both fast and hard, you see thai fighters fight are there kicks slow? You see Cro Cop kick is his kick slow no because he trains hard every day to get the best result. Cro cop kick is a muay thai kick and you are telling me that slow no don't think so. Is Remy Bonjasky's kick slower than yours?..... And he does muay thai in K1.

You have smilpe guess of what the muay thai kick is. you don't understand any part of it. So learn before talking i don't care how fast you think you kick is POWER is imprtant with out it you can't stand a chance.

It takes countless hours of kicking to make your kick: your kick both fast and strong. Sure i can snap my leg fast but that good does it do if it don't even do any damage... I took me years to make my kick powerful and fast not just a few day or weeks.

I no longer have to talk about this subject because in the end no one listens.

You just need to get in the ring with a Muay Thai fighter see how well your so called power kick is ( chances are your foot with start hurting after a few kicks and the shins the muay thai fighter will make your legs fell very painful)

One more thing i got to say is that arts are wining in MMA? Beucse muay thai seem to beat lots of so called masters of karate or TKD or what ever art just because the muay fighters are more conditioned, powerful and have fast kicks. BJJ and ground arts are a problem but i have seen fights where the guy knees the BJJ fighter's face and fight is over. Don't tell me now you are better than the guys at K1 or MMA? Because your not, plain and simple. So why don't we see more of you in MMA guys that beat muay thai cuz most guy think the swing kick is slow and i can avoid it and get KOed.

From now on i will not post on this subject so you can try to flame stuff still don't care... :D I just want to be like Remy Bonjasky and show the world what a muay fighter can do!

[cybermonk]

No to jump in and say something completely unrellated but I think the arts that are winning MMAs are BJJ and Valetudo, most of the times the matches dont go more than 2 minutes on standup anyways.

[Scarlet Mist]

No, I think the reason you can't make me have something to with bad grammar and lack of a solid sentence structure.

"I've fought JKD fighters and they have the best sidekicks" - how do you know this. How are their sidekicks different from a good Karate practitioner? I thought a sidekick was a sidekick. And you keep telling me you've trained your kick for years, like everyone else has just been sitting around. And as for MMA competitions? I have no interest in those things. As far as I'm concerned, they're great athletes who train hard, the art they train in doesn't have as much to do with it as you think. Why would I put myself in a position to get my brain scrambled? (I'd make some crack about the structure of your post in relation to you being kicked in the head too much ... but that's off the topic).
And from the souds of it, I'd probably beat you .... I've got a head ....

[Master Lee]

Mawi you are a very biased person. You are obsessed with muay thai and you think its the best thing there is. You make fun of koreans by saying that they steal martial arts. I did tae kwon do for a while and I dont think its the best ma for fights outside of competitions. But the koreans did not steal it from karate. General Choi created for the korean army. Its moves are based on the science of movement. And I think it has mostly kicks because you cant really punch while you are carrying a machine gun. Do not diss koreans by saying they steal martial arts. Do not judge their entire race and say that they steal ma's because the entire race did not steal it the guy or girl who created it stole it. But tae kwon do is different form karate so nothing was stolen. But guess what there is more, karate is a descendant from kung fu. So are you now going to say that the japanese stole karate from kung fu? And are you going to say that muay thai was stolen from whatever it descened from? I think not because you are biased.

[Mawi]

I don't care period. All you are to me is some guy that sits on the comp and talks but doesn't walk the walk.


The only karte fighter i admire is Andy Hug.

You guys can think i am a guy that only cares about muay thai but no i done other stuff and in compareing somethings to others Muay Thai seems to cover any stand up tool.

"I can beat you" Well Mist if you ever pass by my house i will promise you a good elbow to that dirty mouth of yours. BTW in karte don't you learn respect..... (i miss spelled karte opps) Mist someday you might get more wisdom till then i wish you luck with your side kick. :rolleyes:

About koreans... They can do what ever they want to do... I am just saying TKD is basicly a branch or the japense arts. ( don't aruge with me i am done talking about this crap)

[nicolo]

you know what, I've been reading Mawi's postings for so long, my mind is getting numb and I'm actually starting to believe him. It's like mind control.
Soon I'll turn into a vegetable.

[Mawi]

nicolo i comand you to make a cake for me :)

[iamraisen]

so to some up ... muay thai is good, and mawi hates sidekicks but likes cake.

[Scarlet Mist]

I don't care period. All you are to me is some guy that sits on the comp and talks but doesn't walk the walk.


The only karte fighter i admire is Andy Hug.

You guys can think i am a guy that only cares about muay thai but no i done other stuff and in compareing somethings to others Muay Thai seems to cover any stand up tool.

"I can beat you" Well Mist if you ever pass by my house i will promise you a good elbow to that dirty mouth of yours. BTW in karte don't you learn respect..... (i miss spelled karte opps) Mist someday you might get more wisdom till then i wish you luck with your side kick. :rolleyes:

About koreans... They can do what ever they want to do... I am just saying TKD is basicly a branch or the japense arts. ( don't aruge with me i am done talking about this crap)

Oh come on. The I can beat you comment was not me challenging you, it was just me telling you stop being an ass. You're obsessed and biased, and as Iamraisen said, you hate sidekicks and like cake. Cake? What kind of self respecting martial artists eats cake? Cake is bad for you. It slows your kicks down and makes your punches terrible. That's how the city of Troy was lost, they gave the Trojans Cake!! :p

Anyway, you're a foul entity who doesn't really think too much. I'd insult you heavily right now, but I don't want to get Binned. Let's just say ... ok welll let's not say it.
Anyway, if I'm ever in your neighbourhood I'll be sure to stop by and sidekick you into next thursday.
And I don't take karate, but I am very respectful to sensible people who show respect and don't incessantly run their mouths and call everyone eslse stupid.

[Scarlet Mist]

By the way, Mawi, I have an idea. Why don't we just settle our differences in a Freestyle Battle?
:cool:

[Master Lee]

Mawi to me you sound like an uneducated guy. You can barely talk and everything you say is defensive. You say that everyone else is full of bs and just sits on their computers all day. I agree with scarlet mist you deserve to get a sidekick. You say that you hate everyone else. But have you thought about what we think of you, maybe we think that you are some fat kid sitting on a computer typing a bunch of bs. Because judging by the bad spelling and sentance sructure in your posts I would say that you are no more than a fat little nine year old boy whose dad or someone close to you does muay thai.(wich explains your liking for cakes)

[englishpremier]

On the subject of TKD round house not being powers, I believe it was a TKD side kick Hwang jang lee used to kill his opponent when challenged by a vietnamese knife fighter.

[cybermonk]

On the subject of stuff being stolen...this is getting annoying already most martial arts came from the same place anyway, so either everything was stolen by everybody or nothing was stolen.

[Mawi]

cake is awsome!!! Don't be hateing on the cake hate on me :). LOL i have never been sidekicked because i can see it comeing a mile away, it will never happen dream on. about the cake i like hmm what kinda cake...... I like a cholate cake yummmy. Your insluts need a little polishing up. I wish there was some where i could meet you, make you eat my thai kick and cake, it will be a party(turns on the rocky theme song). Hmm by the way Master Lee are you korean i seemed to have made you angry.... ( i hope the TKD master doesn't fly kick me LOL)

From now on the topic is cake.... Whats your fav cake ....

Its about time we have a new topic here....
(wonders why mist stoped talking in 3rd person)

In Ten years you will see a world class fighter named Mawi

For now lets all have peace.

Can any one plz tell me how i can destroy all my posts... I want to train full time this is takeing up too much of my time. If you got any bad thing to say to me say it now beacuse i am going to get rid of all my posts, i rather talk with fists then words that are hard to spell...

[Scarlet Mist]

Hahhahahahah... "my insluts need a little polishing up" ... that's a costly spelling error. Anyway .... cake, cake? Forget about cake. I hate cake. If you wanna discuss cake go to a cake forum... or stay at home eat cake and get fat.
ANyway, you're saying you can see a sidekick coming a mile away? Well that's funny, because a sidekick has a shorter path than a round kick by any standards. Whether MT or TKD, especially when in MT the round kick is telegraphed. And you're telling me that a sidekick is more easily detected than a round kick? So a straight line path is longer than a circular path?
Man, you better have developed some good fighting skill, because obviously your intellect has been neglected. :rolleyes:

[Mawi]

that hurt really ow. Not. Smart guy i think i might need to hire you as my english teacher. Just because i only been talking english for 4 years. You been talking english all your life and makeing smart ass remarks.. So who is the loser here... You can inslut my typeing but you never have seen me so we never know whats what. About the cake it don't make you fat if you train you moron or female dog

[Scarlet Mist]

Bwahahhahahaha. How long have you been speaking English? What's your first language?
I intend to go to study in spain some time, so maybe someone will cuss me out about my spanish :rolleyes: .
That however, is beside the point. I was not attacking your English (well not mainly anyway), I was attacking your obvious lack of reasoning skills and your bias towards Muay Thai. Do you know what you should do. Go to the nearerst CLF school, stay a couple weeks and join the sparring class ... then you'll learn something ...

[Mawi]

I did TKD and was the champ in Washington State then i did Boxing then, Mauy thai. I now what i need to now to win. For now i want to do muay thai then Join K1 in my mid 20s. BTW my first tounge is something you will never heard of in east africa.

[Master Lee]

Mawi I think that you need to just stop talking. No I am not korean and I dont do tkd anymore I just think that its wrong to judge a whole race based on one person. And besides cybermonk is right nobody stole anything martial arts all started in one place. And about the cake, you go ahead and eat lots of it and get fat and slow(if you are not already) while the rest of us real martial artists go out and train to get better. Maybe scarlet mist should be your new english teacher because yours seems to suck, while he is at it maybe he could also teach you how to be a real martial artist and train instead of eating cake.

[Mawi]

Mawi I think that you need to just stop talking. No I am not korean and I dont do tkd anymore I just think that its wrong to judge a whole race based on one person. And besides cybermonk is right nobody stole anything martial arts all started in one place. And about the cake, you go ahead and eat lots of it and get fat and slow(if you are not already) while the rest of us real martial artists go out and train to get better. Maybe scarlet mist should be your new english teacher because yours seems to suck, while he is at it maybe he could also teach you how to be a real martial artist and train instead of eating cake.


moron i don't eat cake. Don't you understand humor.. Not like i go eat cake i only eat cake like 2 times a year.

[Master Lee]

You just might be a bigger loser than I thought. You actually keep track of the amount of times you eat cake each year. Wow you are so cool it sounds like you have an exciting life if you have nothing better to do than keep track of your cake eating. You could have spent that time losing all that excess fat you have.

[Mawi]

lol 160 ib for a 6 foot 2 guy is fat.. pfft I will Start Praying for you

[Scarlet Mist]

East Africa? Hmmm. Which Language do you speak? Siswati (I'm not sure of the spelling)? Shona? Where are you from originally?

And why would you talk with fists anyway? And why do you insult Koreans?

[Master Lee]

Pray for yourself Mawi. Pray that someone helps you stop lying or helps you to become a better lyer. Because your lies are terrible.

[leo]

ok, sorry everyone, thsi thread is just turning int oan argument, i want to close the thread, how do i do that

[Master Lee]

You have to ask an administrator

[Mawi]

East Africa? Hmmm. Which Language do you speak? Siswati (I'm not sure of the spelling)? Shona? Where are you from originally?

And why would you talk with fists anyway? And why do you insult Koreans?


I am from the Amara tribe. I speak the amaric its a old language found thousands of years ago. I came to the Us 4 years ago as a young boy i had lots of fist fights and i finally said to my self why not do martail arts. But i have learned some respect from it. Well when i was young like i said had fights even to a ponit of knifes. I didn't mean to insult the Koreans i am jsut trying to say to that Korean Kick Boxer guy that the guy that made Korean Kick boxing did Muay Thai and thats how the art was made. I seriouly don't have any thing agiast the koreans at all. Just seems odd to me that TKD had katas, does the same kinda punching as Karate and has allmsot the same dobuck (uniform). Why do you want to know about my Tribe any how?

[YODA]

Or an Admin may just be watching it already!

.... and Mawi


moron i don't eat cake
About the cake it don't make you fat if you train you moron or female dog
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