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r4bid

06-Jan-2003, 07:03 PM

This whole conspiracy theory thing is just stupid, we landed on the moon, I have family who saw the shuttle going up and the footage/pictures from the moon are pretty damn good. The rumor sites are a load of idiot garbage!

darlph

06-Jan-2003, 09:18 PM

I don't know, I wasn't there to verify it. I remember the news and pictures. We had to land somewhere..Roswell? But with all the advances in the space shuttle program and this space station thing i see every morning , we're up there doing something.

YODA

06-Jan-2003, 10:06 PM

Of course we did. A few points....

1. If America wanted to fake it - they'd have done a better job.

2. The Russians would have found out & blown the whole thing.

3. We'll find out soon enough anyway when the new satellite maps the far side of the moon - no lunar lander = we didn't go. It will be there!

r4bid

06-Jan-2003, 10:35 PM

or it will mean that those damn martians took it

YODA

06-Jan-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by r4bid
or it will mean that those damn martians took it

You mean these guys?

The unwise one

08-Jan-2003, 03:24 PM

Has anyone ever watched the actual film of the moon landing ??
If you have did you notice the flag blowing in the breeze ??
Breeze ??? you may ask what breeze lol, and lets face it the American goverment are """no I wont say it lolol"""

But you get my drift :eek:

Clare :Angel:

Joe karate

08-Jan-2003, 08:11 PM

The flag was waving as it was made to. No one wanted to see a limp American flag on the moon. Something I read said some electronic dealy made it flap around.

The unwise one

08-Jan-2003, 09:53 PM

not what iv heard LOLOL but what the hell eh!! dont supose they found some little green men running around as well did they ? LOL seriously though think that one is always going to be one they argue about nobody likes to think they didnt do it first.

Clare

:D

r4bid

08-Jan-2003, 11:22 PM

dude, its called vibrations. The flag was not "waving". With very little gravity to pull it down it naturally moves due to the inertia it had when they planted it in the moon.
Learn some physics and understand that all the arguments against a moon landing are stupid if you know even the most basic highschool level science.

check out this page http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm

if you don't understand its reasoning then go back to school or buy an intro to physics book.

The unwise one

09-Jan-2003, 06:46 AM

And its what I said they still argue about it LOL.

:Alien:

YODA

09-Jan-2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by r4bid
dude, its called vibrations. The flag was not "waving". With very little gravity to pull it down it naturally moves due to the inertia it had when they planted it in the moon.
Learn some physics and understand that all the arguments against a moon landing are stupid if you know even the most basic highschool level science.

check out this page http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm

if you don't understand its reasoning then go back to school or buy an intro to physics book.

Very well said r4bid - I was about to post that very link :D

Light Ng

09-Jan-2003, 12:30 PM

If they made it flap around with an electronic gizmo then the material of the flag must have been supported internally. If it was just a normal flag then no amount of flapping would keep the end of the flag up (at least not on the moon). If you drew a force diagram at the end point of the flag, you would see the resultant force is down. The flag will fall at an increasing rate due to Newtons second law. A flapping mechanism couldnt produce an upward vertical force at this point, at least not when there is an absence of an atmosphere.

To really disprove or prove this flag thingy we really need to see some video or a couple of stills not just one still. We could then make a more informed analysis with a bit of Newtonian physics and possibly some wave mechanics.

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The unwise one

09-Jan-2003, 02:54 PM

Well dont think iv got anything to add to that hehehehe

Go Ng'y Go Ng'y Go Ng'y

Clare :Alien:

Jim

10-Jan-2003, 03:32 AM

YODA

10-Jan-2003, 07:29 AM

Ok - let's get this waving flag thing sorted.

1. The flag had a bar across the top of it designed specifically to hold it up.

2. The "waving" was a result of the astronaut moving the pole around as he was trying to secure the pole in the lunar surface.

When nobody is holding or moving the pole - the flag is static.

Download the movie & see for your self...

Moon flag video (http://wolf1productions.net:8080/ufo/conspir/videos/moonlanding/apollo_flag.m1v)

The unwise one

10-Jan-2003, 07:33 AM

LOLOL I love a good debait LOL :D

Clare :Alien:

Light Ng

10-Jan-2003, 08:17 AM

HAHA! Thanks for that. Now I'm convinced its phoney!

I can quite clearly see that when the space dude lets go of the flag, there is little movement in the flagpole yet the loose end of the flag is not adhering to simple harmonic motion. And the end of the flag drops way too quickly.

I think its being moved by the fans from the studio lights LOL.

:p

TkdWarrior

10-Jan-2003, 08:25 AM

doh that's why i always says "darn those physicsts" :D
hmm wonder why didn't we got posts from jimmy?
-TkdWarrior-

Light Ng

10-Jan-2003, 08:37 AM

And another thing. If I were to make a claim on a minor celestial body, I'd at least iron my bl**dy flag.:p :p :p :p

pgm316

10-Jan-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Light Ng
HAHA! Thanks for that. Now I'm convinced its phoney!

I can quite clearly see that when the space dude lets go of the flag, there is little movement in the flagpole yet the loose end of the flag is not adhering to simple harmonic motion. And the end of the flag drops way too quickly.

I think its being moved by the fans from the studio lights LOL.

:p

The flag would move fast though without any air around it slowing it down, that is what I find most convincing about it.

Spike

11-Jan-2003, 01:36 AM

I wonder what would happen if the people who wrote these articles used their powers to help mankind

r4bid

11-Jan-2003, 12:52 PM

spike: we would all be living on mars and the moon hehe...

Spike

12-Jan-2003, 08:49 PM

yeah, I have this horrible feeling that manking would have near god like technology if our finest scientific minds didn`t spend all day arguing whether or ont the death star would be able to destroy the enterprise

The unwise one

12-Jan-2003, 08:54 PM

HAHAHAHA :Alien:

C :D

Freeform

13-Jan-2003, 04:12 PM

The Enterprise would whoops the Death Stars Ass! Jordie La Forge would re-align the main deflector dish and..........

....I'll get me coat then :(

Col

pgm316

13-Jan-2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Spike
yeah, I have this horrible feeling that manking would have near god like technology if our finest scientific minds didn`t spend all day arguing whether or ont the death star would be able to destroy the enterprise

Which enterprise? Problem is star trek never used the power of the force(chi) so I'd say the dark side would win via pin fall :D

Spike

13-Jan-2003, 10:28 PM

Told you

c_storm51

04-Feb-2003, 03:21 PM

The Death Star is blatantly gonna open a 10lb can on any enterprise ship....:woo:

Hehe....I'll retreat now....just proving your point, Spike....!!! :D

khafra

05-Feb-2003, 04:56 PM

I used to be a staunch Enterprise advocate, but after coming up Emperor Palpatine/Senator Palpatine on that personality test I'll have to go with the power of the dark side.

yes, I'm contributing to hijacking this thread on purpose

YODA

05-Feb-2003, 10:17 PM

Star Wars Vs Star Trek?

Do I have to comment?

Can you not take a wild guess on my view LOL! :D

Vorick

07-Mar-2003, 07:18 AM

Well im going to try not to go a little over board on this,

But the Death Star wouldn't last 2 seconds against the Enterprise. And Star trek vs. Star wars.....

No question it def. Star Trek.

You know Spike, your definatly right!!!
I'm Physics Student and if we didn't waste so much time on 'which is better Star Wars or Star Trek' we could probably be actually helping to create a more 'Star Trek' like world!!!

thats the overlaying advantage to Trek, some of it is theoretically possible! were as Star wars is pure fiction!!!

Right i'll shut up now!

And by the way moon landing ~ Yes it did occur!!

Cougar_v203

07-Mar-2003, 12:21 PM

star wars suck (no offense yoda :)) except for the fight scenes in episode one.

anyways I don't give a f'in care if we landed on moon because i don't care.

morphus

07-Mar-2003, 09:09 PM

I am a massive fan of both - you don't need to compare them, they both have there merits!

They're both sh*t hot!:D

YODA

11-Mar-2003, 10:14 PM

Very well said Morphus :D

They are very different. History & future speculation perhaps?

shortstick

12-Mar-2003, 05:15 AM

Ya, I think we did.....but I enjoy the conspircy stuff. What else you got?

JohnnyX

23-Apr-2004, 11:58 AM

There are lots of people who believe that man has not been to the moon. It was all a U.S. plot to make the Rusians think that the U.S. beat them to the moon.

There was a program on UK TV a while ago that had lots of evidence that could clearly dispute that man ever went to the moon or indeed was even capable of it.

For example:

- The US Flag flutters in the breeze. - There isn't any atmosphere on the moon.

- Shadows and lighting in photos just doesn't add up.

- The most powerful telescopes of today can't find anything left over on the moon.

- If you speed up the moon walk sequences to double speed, they actually just look normal.

- Many photos supposedly taken on the moon have been proven to be fake or doctored.

- Two moonscape photos which NASA say were taken on different days at different locations have been proven to be of the same place from different angles.

P.S. NASA has never directly disputed any of this evidence, or come up with any plausible explanations!

After that TV program, I was believing that man did not go to the moon.

What do you think?

Paratus

23-Apr-2004, 12:10 PM

You want an answer? Ask one of the people who actually walked on the moon, have them take a lie detector test, but I doubt they will. They've probably have been having to deal with people disputing what they did for years and are likely sick of it. Why do you think Armstrong final just hit someone?

Nukie

23-Apr-2004, 12:33 PM

- The US Flag flutters in the breeze. - There isn't any atmosphere on the moon.

- Shadows and lighting in photos just doesn't add up.

- The most powerful telescopes of today can't find anything left over on the moon.

- If you speed up the moon walk sequences to double speed, they actually just look normal.

- Many photos supposedly taken on the moon have been proven to be fake or doctored.

- Two moonscape photos which NASA say were taken on different days at different locations have been proven to be of the same place from different angles.

Take a look here (http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/). Its written by a planetry scientist from the uni of arizona, he gives an explanation for all the theories that are against the moon landing.

Hugh

23-Apr-2004, 12:52 PM

I believe that they did land on the moon - I'm not one for byzantine conspiracy theories. However I have seen and heard a lot of evidence to support an argument that the pictures and video were fakes.

Is it possible that they did land on the surface of the moon and then fabricated the video/photos afterwards? After all - it was seen as man's greatest achievement at the time - would they rather some grainy image of the moon from space, or a glossy full length Neil Armstrong-and-American-flag arrangement?

JohnnyX

23-Apr-2004, 01:13 PM

Take a look here (http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/). Its written by a planetry scientist from the uni of arizona, he gives an explanation for all the theories that are against the moon landing.

Thanks Nukie. That's a great site.

It covers pretty much what was in the TV Programme.

There's some quite damning evidence.

Beats me how a multi-billion dollar outfit could make some elementary mistakes. :eek:

Kwajman

23-Apr-2004, 01:31 PM

Come on guys, get serious. If you have so much time to wonder about the moon landing, you need to work harder practicing MA's.

aikiMac

23-Apr-2004, 06:49 PM

Charles Duke is one of the twelve Americans who (allegedly?) walked on the moon. He's also a Christian minister, and I like to think that a minister wouldn't lying about walking on the moon.

YODA

23-Apr-2004, 07:05 PM

Charles Duke is one of the twelve Americans who (allegedly?) walked on the moon. He's also a Christian minister, and I like to think that a minister wouldn't lying about walking on the moon.
Much as I BELIEVE we DID go to the moon - I have trouble justifying ANYTHING by saying a Christian Minister wouldn't tell lies. Oh dear! Many scandals & ex-communications would say otherwise. They are human too - and just as likely to fall prey to the evils of the world.

Tireces

23-Apr-2004, 07:58 PM

I thought the recent argument about the faking of the moon landing may have had some merit until I heard recently that Neil Armstrong belted a guy in the mouth who tried to tell him it was a fake about six months ago.

I guess he'd know.

That was actually buzz aldrin, I recently had to draw up some decorative art for an article about the whole silly "fake moon landing" bit at school that detailed what happened.

Topher

26-Apr-2004, 12:51 AM

3. We'll find out soon enough anyway when the new satellite maps the far side of the moon - no lunar lander = we didn't go. It will be there!

When does the world get to see these pictures.

I heard about Japan taking close-up moon photos. If it's NASA though, no doubt they'll digitally shove a lunar lander in pics