Whats Your Favorite Submisson?

[Acekicken]

Mine is the Cross Armlock
I have gotin this technique many times
From Many different positions(includeing ahead stand)

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I have also used Chokes & Leg Locks
But when i get Juji gatame im like a kid in a candy store:D

[YODA]

Yes - one of my faves too. I like to work a few subs from a lot of positions rather than the other way around.

My fave armbar at the moment is against the far arm from cross-body position. Scoop under the elbow, pop up to knee mount, spin around the head to the far side juji :D

Fave choke? Triangle from just about any position.

Fave leglock? Rolling kneebar from standing over hook.

[SpongeBob]

Well I'm fairly new to grapplng so my I'm really only at the stage of positional control at the moment (fave position is the side top :D ).

But when I do practise submissions my total fave is the Eric Paulson leg lock from the side mount, where you pull their leg and head toward each other down the side of the body, nice :D

[SpongeBob]

Please note though, that only works on me and my students at the moment, cause we're muppets and don't see it comming. Given time though we should get better :)

[stump]

<<<But when I do practise submissions my total fave is the Eric Paulson leg lock from the side mount, where you pull their leg and head toward each other down the side of the body, nice >>>

I like that one too, it pisses people off when they get caught by it :) ...patience and timing can make this one a really practical option.

My favourite submission is some form of choke, works kinda like a triangle as a reversal from a scarf hold...probably wouldn't work on more experienced grapplers though. Push the head up then hook with the leg around the neck, lock it with your other leg and hey presto.....one tapping opponent :) (hopefully!)

I definitely agree with what you say yoda about working a submission from various positions......a better strategy than trying to lean loads of different submissions from all over...especially in the earlier days

[SpongeBob]

Originally posted by stump

My favourite submission is some form of choke, works kinda like a triangle as a reversal from a scarf hold...probably wouldn't work on more experienced grapplers though. Push the head up then hook with the leg around the neck, lock it with your other leg and hey presto.....one tapping opponent :) (hopefully!)


So are you caught in the scarf or have you got the oppenent in the scarf? I'm a little lost on that one, sozz :eek:

[stump]

sorry, wasn't explained very well ...

You're caught in the scarf hold....you start by pushing your opponents head up...then hook his head with your near leg...(if he's on your right side it will be with your right leg) and pull him to the ground. Hook your right leg with your left for security and you have a choke or a facebar...then squeeze!!!!

Hope that makes things clearer

[SpongeBob]

Ah yeah I got ya know, takes quite a bit of flexibilty :D I've seen a few people do it, but never tried it myself. Any time I bring my legs up where Dave can bend them he does horrible things to them.

I just stick to bleeding on him now, but sadly even that doesn't seem to stop him :(

ho ho ho

[stump]

make some passing comments about your "good ol' hard drug injecting days" while you're busy bleeding on him and watch him move :)

[SpongeBob]

Well I tried wearing tight lycra gear, but that doesn't seem to put him off.

Now I'm gonna paint myself green and dribble horrible liquid out my nose, that may hold him off for a bit, may'be? :D

[stump]

Sorry that was a bit much....

YOu're right it does take a bit of flexibility but it helps if you get your torso away from his, then hike up as if you were trying to go into the "upside down bicycle position". If you get the angles right it doesn't take that much flexibility really.
Also your legs are coming up behind the opponent, do it quickly and it shouldn't pose much of a problem being countered

[stump]

THe that was a bit much was referring to my comment, not yours.... your idea sounds totally logical :)

by the way I'm not very experienced at this whole grappling game so if Dave tells you otherwise on these techniques ....I know who I'd listen to :)

[SpongeBob]

Yeah, the golden rule, escape make space. Trap and pin, keep 'em in, tight that is :D

I like the idea, though I wont try it on Dave, I'll try it on someone who wont hurt me to much if I mess it up :D

[SpongeBob]

I'm new to it too and learning the hard way :D

It's good to hear what other people try to do and what they do, be it right or wrong. You never know even if they were experience and never seen or thought of a technique, you may just catch them with it, so carry on :D

Not that I was saying your technique was bad, if it works it works, then when people suss it, you move onto the next one :D

[stump]

Hey, practise makes perfect. Its not one to try every time you roll, but it can be a useful little nugget now and then!!!

On the other one, (leglock from side mount) wait till just before they try to bridge and pounce then, best time to try and catch them with it!

[Joe karate]

"But when I do practise submissions my total fave is the Eric Paulson leg lock from the side mount, where you pull their leg and head toward each other down the side of the body, nice"-SpongeBob




SPongeBob: That sounds like a wrestler's cradle. I've used it in many matches but I don't see how it could submit anyone. As I've experienced it I can say it has never caused pain. My grappling is limited to American wrestling(submission is illegal) so maybe I'm missing the obvious, or it could be another move you're talking about.

[SpongeBob]

There is a link to a video on the net of Eric Paulson demonstrating the submission.

It certinanly does hurt.

If your in cross body, on your oppenants left side, with the inside blade of your right hand, catch the inside of their ankle. with your left encircle their head. Then simply pull the two together. Puts stress on the knee, neck and lower back.

Though it does work unless the weight is off the leg your trying to catch.

Cheers

[Joe karate]

Now I know what your talkin about. In wrestling we do the same thing but instead of going around the ankle we go around the knee. Then we pull the head and knee together, lock our hands, and try to pin him.
Thanks.

[Darzeka]

My favourites are a neck crank ( that I don't do too often because its too dangerous ) and a side strangle.

The neck crank is from thier guard (they have legs around you). Somehow get your elbows into thier armpits and your hands behind thier head then pull thier head towards thier crotch. Hurts alot apparantly. But as I said it's just too dangerous to do to my training partners all the time.

Anyone else use the power slam? You are either mounted or in thier guard and they grab hold tight to your arms and try to keep you close. Grab hold of them - gi or arms - and then sit up then slam them into the ground - knock the wind out of them and if you can get something into thier stomach as you go down they can't breathe - go for a shoulder or elbow.

By my definition of side stragnle i mean having your right shoulder under thier right armpit, thier arm having been pushed up and your head behind his shoulder. Your right forearm - the blade - against the side of his neck and the other hand gripping it and squeezing. I am able to get this on from the mount as long as I can get my head under his arm and get a bit of leverage under his head.
Also if my stragnling forearm slips past his neck and loops his head I can do a nasty neck crank where the gripping hand pushes the other hand and head to the other side - again a dangerous move needing control and release of pressure as soon as they tap.

[YODA]

The neck crank is from thier guard

Ah yes - "The Can Opener" - a nasty move but fortunately very easy to counter - If you're quick enough.

The slam works well as a closed guard release. Also good for escaping the triangle.

Your side strangle is what Judoka call "Kata Gatame" or shoulder hold.

[SpongeBob]

Originally posted by YODA

The slam works well as a closed guard release. Also good for escaping the triangle.


Yeah I used that one to get out the closed gaurd. Get 'em right up in the air and then boom lovely :D. As long as they're not to quick to sweep my legs that is ;)

I saw the figure of four toes hold this morning. Sadly it was by Kurt Angle on WWE (has to watch it since Acekicken said it was on there :D ) and now I understand what it is, I have done it before.

I didn't realise the WWE had brought in submissions now, I always thought the idea was a pin? Funny though how one wrestler got the other in a naked rear choke, yet the other one didn't go out and carried on fighting after 10 seconds. Could it all be made up and staged, surely not!!!!!!!

Next you'll be telling me there is no Santa!!!!!

[Freeform]

I'll give you a Japanese name for your 'power slam' Darzeka, Daki Age.

Currently my favorite submission is a inverted juji gatame. On their left arm if they've knocked you off their back right leg hooks over the throat with the arm on your inside right thigh, your weight pins the arm and you lean 'up' (as your both know face down) to apply, requires a really flexible back.

Col

[Acekicken]

Pro Wrestling has had Submissons
for as long as i can remember

Not realy new to the WWE
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[Freeform]

Its not real!?!?!?!

:( :( :(

[Acekicken]

it's Art. :D

[cyclepath]

Gotta be for me the rear naked (ooh err missus) choke, from the rear mount. Just cause it shows total control of the other person, so you could get their back and obtain the finish. I like chokes for the fact that on the unitiated they dont know what's gion on and pass out(i meant in the street not on a beginner!!).

Also a little fond of the old heel hook.

[Bon]

I am still working on position over the good blue belts/purple belts, the new guys are easy to control and I find I can use any submission I choose.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Freeform
Its not real!?!?!?!

:( :( :(

What is real :confused:

Often what they do is far more real than how many Martial Artists train. How many people train in a totally unrealistic non competitive way and call themselves street fighting, combat orientated MA's........

I've been surprised by many grapplers lack of skill. Many I've trained with have concentrated on using brute force instead of technique. Which is very dissapointing from a learning point of view.

A simple submission is simply putting your elbow into someones throat, if they tuck their chin in, it hurts even more. (from the mount position)

Whats peoples favourite move from a simple standing clinch, assuming you want your opponent to tap out?

[Bon]

Whats peoples favourite move from a simple standing clinch, assuming you want your opponent to tap out?

Knees are good. :D

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Bon


Knees are good. :D

Suppose that could make them submit :D

Maybe from a standing position was a bad idea, I was thinking of the best way to take out a striker..........

[YODA]

If you're already tied up in a clinch - Rolling Kneebars are pretty devastating!

[Acekicken]

I have Used Them Often
They are verry efective
& also open up the leg lock searies
Since U have acheived 2 on 1

[pgm316]

I think I know what you mean with the rolling knee bars. Is that when you roll past your oppenonent, say to the left of them, grab their right leg and hook your right leg between theirs as your rolling past them, then hook your right leg round their right leg to bring them down. If that makes any sense....

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Fave technique is a toehold from the STF legvine position, I usually get this after breaking my opponent's guard. Works like a charm.
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From the clinch I would overhook one arm, grasp the opposite shoulder to avoid rollout, and put a nice crank on the rotator cuff.

[Fire_Wings]

What is youre favorite submission? :p
That one you go for every chance you get?:D

Now we all have them, the one you always want to find more ways to do. The one you know alot about, that works well for you, youre build, ect.

My personals are triangles and gillotine chokes. Fun fun fun. ;)

[Patrick Bateman]

For me its the one and only rear naked. A few reasons, gives a nice finish and also is a hard position for the other guy to do stuff while your waitin for em to pass out!! Also shows a degree of superiority in that you've got their back, closed the technique and have total control for the finish.

[totality]

i prefer the triangle/armbar combo, simply because it's kind of exotic-looking and fun :D

but yeah, rnc really is, IMO, the best sub. once you've sunk that, you should have the match.

[Floorismyfriend]

My fav is the testicle squeeze.
Probably one of the most painfull submissions known to man, literaly.

rnc has nothing on the ts.

[Terry Matthes]

I really like giving out shoulder locks from the scarf hold position. My second favorite would have to be a key lock, or the reverse of that where you sit up with your opponent.

PS- I am a master at submiting to calf locks

[Floorismyfriend]

Yeah those calf locks are really painfull.
When ever i get caught in one my calves get really soar afterwards.
Does it cause any permanent damage?

[stump]

Omaplatas are a favourite
Kneebars are fun when you get them

But as I always seem to end up in guard I'll have to go with armbars

[Cain]

Nothing can beat this submission :D

The ultimate submission (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4087&highlight=ultimate+submission)

|Cain|

[SoKKlab]

Ho not that agin Cain :)

Although I like Rear Naked Choke very much. I find myself strangely drawn to Neck Cranks/ Face Bars.

I also really love The Iron Cross, but alas am not so great at getting it to work that well, totally out of practice now, but it does look kinda fancy.

Also some leg locks and achilles/ calf crushes.

[Freeform]

An inverted Juji Gatame or Ude Garami.

[YODA]

I get far more pleasure from nailing a quality opponent with the basics done well rather than some complex variation.

I tend to stick to my big 3, and work to be able to get them single and in combination from anywhere - unless someone gives me something else...

Armbar (I like the far arm from x-body but can apply it from pretty much any position)
Triangle (I get it quite well from the guard but also surprise people by getting it in less common positions)
Americana (Stem up / ude-garame) - X-Body being the most common position, often via a transition from the mount.

[Sporran]

#1 Keylock / Americana
#2 Fig 4 ankle lock
#3 armbar

sometimes manage to pull off
#4 flatulence / triangle combo

[Patrick Bateman]

Flooris, do you mean achilles locks by calf lock, if so yes than can cause serious damage. Unfortunately i once put one on a lad at the club who appeared to have no pain threshold, he just wouldnt tap, so i kept increasing the pressure and it eventually led to ligament damage and he couldnt train for 6 months.

[PaulO]

I think mine are the Americana with the legs from kesa Gatame, Kimura and ankle lock/toe hold.

[Nimrook]

Key arm locks and neck cranks. I have a strong upper body, but I'm just not built to do any real ju juitsu techniques like triangle chokes and the such.

[Floorismyfriend]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Flooris, do you mean achilles locks by calf lock, if so yes than can cause serious damage. Unfortunately i once put one on a lad at the club who appeared to have no pain threshold, he just wouldnt tap, so i kept increasing the pressure and it eventually led to ligament damage and he couldnt train for 6 months.
GEEZ 6 months?!?!?!
Is heel hook safer than achilles lock?
Lately i been using heel hooks more because i can get to it faster and it causes more pain.

[YODA]

Heel hooks are one of the easiest ways to hurt someone in grappling - and hurt them BADLY.

An achilles lock attacks mainly the soft tissue of the ankle / calf - tendons and ligaments - these will heal.

The heel hook applies rotational torque to the knee - a minor "pop" will cause major trauma to the lateral ligaments and maybe the cruciate liagmants. A MAJOR pop and the recipient may never walk again. I saw an example of such rotational torque a few years ago - the guy nearly lost his lower leg - the bones inside his knee shattered and severed the arteries & nerves in his knee. He kept his leg - but he has it screwed together with metal rods, has a permanent limp and will certainly never kick properly again.

You have been warned!

[Floorismyfriend]

Originally posted by YODA
Heel hooks are one of the easiest ways to hurt someone in grappling - and hurt them BADLY.

An achilles lock attacks mainly the soft tissue of the ankle / calf - tendons and ligaments - these will heal.

The heel hook applies rotational torque to the knee - a minor "pop" will cause major trauma to the lateral ligaments and maybe the cruciate liagmants. A MAJOR pop and the recipient may never walk again. I saw an example of such rotational torque a few years ago - the guy nearly lost his lower leg - the bones inside his knee shattered and severed the arteries & nerves in his knee. He kept his leg - but he has it screwed together with metal rods, has a permanent limp and will certainly never kick properly again.

You have been warned!
Scary stuff.
Thnx for the info.
You might have saved my brothers leg today.
Ill try not to over do it with heel hooks.

[YODA]

A good rule with heel hooks is to consider the POSITION a win in sparring. Don't wait for the tap - pain sometimes comes AS it breaks!

[Knight_Errant]

I apologise for being dim, but what's a heel hook? :)

[Floorismyfriend]

Thnx for the sparring tip.
You may have just saved my brothers other leg.

[Floorismyfriend]

The foot under your armpit and you pull up his heel with your forarm on the same arm.

[Knight_Errant]

OK thanks

[YODA]

From my website

- Here's Roy Harris (right) about to apply the heel hook on Karl Tanswell. Roy will now hook his right forearm over Karls foot and under his heel - he'll then join hands, pull his hands into his chest and turn his whole upper body to his left and lean back.



http://www.cea.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ceaweb/images/roy_harris_02/rh_heelhook.jpg

[Knight_Errant]

ow! that's gotta hurt! :eek:
Oh, and thanks for the explanation :)

[Floorismyfriend]

The rumina sato sherdog highlight has some good heel hooking in it.

[Disaster Master]

I don’t have a favorite submission anymore. At one time it was Kata Gatame, until I learned how easy the escape is. I still like Kata Gatame but I try to hook my leg over his to prevent an escape now.

Re: leg locks

Yoda’s comments on safety are why leg locks aren’t allowed in Judo. When I spar certain subs are excluded for safety reasons (neck cranks for example).

[Bon]

Yes, heel hooks are nasty things. I hate working with leg locks because once you feel the pain, it's already too late. You might finish your training session, but once you cool down the pain sets in and it hurts!

I've done both my knees due to being too late to tap, both heel hooks. One of them I had for a period of months as I was waiting for it to heal so I could do weights. It only healed when I got my ass in the gym and started squatting regardless of it not being fully healed.

Both knees appear to be normal again, I can kick, squat, wrestle, climb stairs with no problems.. but i'm wondering how much wear and tear I've taken off them as I'm only 18 years old and don't want to have knees of a 50 year old when I'm 30.


Edited for profanity: Yoda

[KungFuMan39]

I like achilles locks very much, also the straight armbar is always a good one, but im reather new to submission fighting so i dont know very many

[Tyrant MMA]

I'm just a noobie but I really like the Ammo Plato ( hope my spellings ok ) We have been learning a few interesting ways of getting into it.

Also the good old Americana

[Cyph]

Omoplata. :)

[Mr CUTTHROAT]

I love the heel hook, and also knee bars. I love arm bars and the asortment of chokes. But in a street fight most do not understand when to tap, therefor they make me snap. I have to say I like squeeze locks and crushes the best because you can put your opponent through a lot of pain with less risk of bone breakage,
but with the proper pressure, these locks can do serious damage!!

[Trent Tiemeyer]

I love the stepover toehold, and I have one of the meaner full nelsons you will ever run across.

[Acekicken]

I thought i posted this before
i just saw it on the Board Per haps

Martial Arts Planet Can Cross The thread

[Acekicken]

Armlocks & Ankel Locks

Jujigatme is my most Fav
But Heel hooks & the figure 4 Toe Hold are right after that

I have Used Many Submissons in Kumite Ju jitsu Turnaments
Including The above as well as The Triangel Choke,
rear Naked, ,Key locks, Hammer Locks & Kneebars

Im 19 -4 In Kumite Ju Jitsu( Kicks Strking Throws Takedowns & Submissons)
My four Losses have come from Points

6-2 In Grappling Turnaments 5 wins By Submisson
1 on Points & 2 lossed on Points

1- 0 in MMA Win By Inside heelhook/ kneebar
My Next MMA Fight is in Jan. of 2004 Extreme Fighting Challenge

I have been Competing in USJJF turnaments for 3 Years
I have done 3 Grappling Turnaments
And I fought in the Ring for The United States Combat Zone Asosiation Which was the 7th & Last show

[Acekicken]

Originally posted by Acekicken
I thought i posted this before
i just saw it on the Board Per haps

Martial Arts Planet Can Cross The thread
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[PaulO]

At the moment I am using mounted triangles a lot so they are a new favourite, also another is the arm entanglement with the legs from Kesa gatame (Americana) and I've started to work on Omaplata more and Im liking this a lot.

If wearing a Gi then I also like Gi chokes especially sode Jime (sleeve choke) and Ashi-Jime.

[Pika]

"I am still working on position over the good blue belts/purple belts, the new guys are easy to control and I find I can use any submission choose."

Sure Bon. You can tap the new guys with anything....... I choose flying triangle!

And you are working on position with the blue and purples...... what position is that? The tapping position? :D

[Zen Master]

Face bar, love that move

[Terry Matthes]

Scarf Hold shoulder lock/arm bar

[47Ronin]

Flying arm bar :D

[Sonshu]

Thats too hard to do guy!

Well for me anyhow.

Neck Crank is easy and minimal effort but arm bar is the best from any angle I can work it for me!

[SteveJKDUK]

Yeah...flying arm bars seem to be a leap of faith for me. No, I haven't got one to work yet, but I'm sure I will some day! :D

The stuff I've been working on at the moment is knee bars and my omaplata. Its not diffficult knowing how to do it, but when to actually do it!

[Coyote]

Do you want practical or cool? If you're looking for practical, I prefer neck cranks and scarf chokes, depending on the situation.

Really cool? Well, I once managed to get my opponent to post on both hands. I tapped him in the kidney as I scrambled over his back. I stepped over his neck into a sanchin stance and, as his chin came up, I grabbed it with my right hand. Instant choke and the neck gets stretched simultaneously. If they try to get your feet with their arms, you can sit out on their neck-- also works if they try to drop out of the choke.