My Basic 4 Article

[YODA]

Anyone read it?

Anyone tried to incorporate it into their training?

Was it worth me spending the time writing it?

Any questions regarding the article or the drill series?

[pgm316]

Might be a stupid question, but how do you get to the articles?

[YODA]

Click on "Magazine" at the top of the forum - the "Articles".

Or you could just follow the link to my two new articles on the MAP main page.

[pgm316]

Oh right, ok thanks, there should be an articles link on the front page, its not that obvious to find.

Its a good article, I'll have a proper read through it soon, I want to get doing more groundwork next year! And I for one am appreciative of you spending you time doing it :)

[YODA]

Originally posted by pgm316
Oh right, ok thanks, there should be an articles link on the front page, its not that obvious to find.

LOL!

From the main MAP page you can....

1. Click on Magazine at the top
2. Click on Magazine in the list of links at the left (Main menu)
3. CLick on the link to my article in the "Latest Updates" section.

How many do you want? LOL! :p

However - I do think that "Magazine" is not the best choice for that section of the site. Makes me think it's either something I have to pay for or subscribe to. Magazine also gives the impression of something that is produced periodically rather than a websire area that is just updated as & when stuff is submitted.

Its a good article, I'll have a proper read through it soon, I want to get doing more groundwork next year! And I for one am appreciative of you spending you time doing it :)

Cool - next year is next week :D

[Freeform]

Anyone read it?

Anyone tried to incorporate it into their training?

Was it worth me spending the time writing it?

Any questions regarding the article or the drill series?


Yep.

Already practice similar drills in my Judo class (where I am constrained by "rules", bah!)

Yes, a few wee pointers were picked up, cheers ;)

Yeah, are you going to do one on grounding and pounding, I already practice some pinning and striking drills but words from the Master are always appreciated ;)


Excellent article, good use of pictures I give you 9/10 (gotta give you something to strive for) :)

Col

[pgm316]

Originally posted by YODA


Cool - next year is next week :D

Argh! Next years too soon, I think I need to work on my fitness first :rolleyes:

[YODA]

LOL!

Don't worry dude - groundfighting is one the BEST fitness workouts known to man :D

Where / who with?

[pgm316]

I used to do Judo, now just training in Kung Fu. I miss the grappling though........ And I remember how exhausting it can be, so would you say its a better fitness workout than doing some cardio stuff at the gym?

Problem with the Kung Fu is how they try and ignore to a large extent the possibility of going to the ground. Reason I was reading your articles is because I want to train in a way that puts the two together. Definitely the way forward, because I don't think I can make my blocks look any prettier :D

[SpongeBob]

I printed it off and use it my class now :)

Bu then again I train under you Dave anyway so you knew I'd do that.

Pgm316, Ground fighting is brilliant exercise, really uses all your muscle groups and pumps your cardio. It's much better than a gym work out because it relavent to your MA It's also wicked fun.

I've always done stand up and striking arts, never seeing the point of taking someone to the ground. BUT if you change your training so that when in the clinch you take someone down, your into a different ball game.

When you train with people who only fight stand up, you will always only fight stand up. Mix it up a little and see what happens, I'm sure you'll like it :)

[YODA]

I train under you Dave anyway

----- Yeah, you do always end up there don't you LOL!

Ahem.....

So - any questions about the drill? What about the "extras" we did last time I was at your club?

[Melanie]

Hiya Yoda,

I was only doing that drill a week sunday ago...the following day I suffer me latest injury...

Anyway, I had a great deal of difficulty in the transitions - however this was my first lesson. I spent some time attacking a punch bag too in these positions - guess they were afraid of me hurting some one :(

I was doing a drill earlier on this year where I was leant over someone who was kneeling on the floor and I had to spin on top of them - the point was they were trying to grab my arms and legs as I was going round and this is done to teach speed and technique - it was only a one day seminar so I didn't get much opportunity to do it.

The reason why I am looking at this area of fighting is because Shotokan - in my practical training so far does not include this and I am far to curious for my own good!

I have also printed this off and once I am fully recovered I will be attacking my pillows in a sleeping bag with a fresh vigour! (I haven't got a punch bag at home).

[SpongeBob]

Originally posted by YODA


----- Yeah, you do always end up there don't you LOL!

Ahem.....

So - any questions about the drill? What about the "extras" we did last time I was at your club?

I've copied your flow diagram and added in and modified bits with the extra's you taught us. Seems to be doing okay so far, but we did only have one lesson after the seminar to practise.

I'm practising my agility and movement lots more now, so hopefully that'll improve some more soon.

You can bet your bottom dollar when I do hit a problem I'll be straight on the e-mail :)

[SpongeBob]

Okay then Dave. The drill above is for positional control and inserting submissions, break outs and then continuing with the positional flows.

What do I change to include pounding strikes? e.g. Pad type, position, strike types, targets. I could see how you could use a punch bag in place of the other person and batter the hell out of it (though the submission will be harder, never met a bag that's taps yet, even worse if it tapped you out).

Any advise always welcome. 2003 the year to bring in the first steps towards pounding on the ground :D :D :D

Cheers

[YODA]

Quick answer - focus mitts!

More later.............

[dredleviathan]

Master Yoda,

This paduan found the article to be very useful on a number of levels:

1) To help visualize the flow.

2) To pick up some good tips on the positions themselves - great photos and text very descriptive.

3) To help me see where other drills can be added or the drill re-ordered to work different aspects of the ground game.

4) To organize my ****** notes - I never woudl have thought of it. Now I just need to get round to transferring my notes into flow diagrams.

So, please do continue to write the articles and to share your knowledge. Its definitely worth the effort (from our end anyway) and greatly appreciated.

Dred.

[YODA]

Thanks - I may well do a follow up that includes the 1st few variations that we use. :D

[dredleviathan]

Finger hovering over Ctrl+C.... :D

[pgm316]

A follow up would be much appreciated by many I believe :)

[Bon]

I thought it was an excellent article, definitely picked up a few pointers! :)

[Freeform]

Hey Dave, how about an article on Groundin' and Poundin'?

Go on, you know you want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Col

[Darzeka]

I thought the article was really good and just gave me a few ideas on how I can improve my movement.

I've started doing some training in the excersise (of sorts) and have incorporated it into my wrestling - it has helped alot.

MY brother and I were getting annoyed with the fact that we can wrestle with each other about 45 mins and no-one came close to a tap and we would both then be sore and tired - so we just wrestle now with intent of control and movement it feels much better.

As for adding in the ground and pound - were gloves and a mouth guard then when you have oppourtunity pound him - gives a good insight into trying to get out of being mounted with a good ground and pounder on top of you and also shows you how difficult it is to get a good shot in from the mount

[Bon]

YODA, seems to have been the missing link in my training. I have been controlling people lately & on a regular basis! I have controlled a couple of guys who are over the 90kg mark. :)

[Darzeka]

Controlling someone has nothing to do with their weight but thier balance and yours. While it becomes difficult for a light person to control a strong, heavy person, if you are balanced and can restrict certain aspects of their movment they won't be able to move and you will control

[Freeform]

In Judo comp. I've only ever beaten one person by pin and he was around the 115kgish mark (I was 87kg at the time). I agree with Dar here, I felt that the guy could have pretty much bench pressed me, by using good balance and my weight I was able to play it so I trapped one of his arms between our bodies thus negating his strength.

Its possible to beat the heavier/stronger opponent, it may not be easy, but its possible if you spend enough time learning and drilling the basic principles ;)

Colin

[Darzeka]

I'm quite heavy (90kg) but when I'm wrestling with smaller people who know what they are doing I will end up in positions where pure brute force is unable to help me out.

These people are about 70-80kg and only through using a combination of brute force and understanding of balance can I get them off but I find I am easy to dislodge if I hold the top position. I am in the process of trying to get more control of my balance so I can control my opponents easier. It has begun to improve but I have been unable to wrestle for a couple of weeks so I am keen to see where I'm at.