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Martial Mark
04-Jun-2004, 12:39 PM
I have been doing various studies on martial arts for about 8 years now, mainly reading but have also practised Wing Chun, Lau Gar, Karate, and Aikido recently and am really interested in bruce lee's philosophy and art form of Jeet Kune Do.

My understanding of this so far is that it is not a martial art nor a art form but a form of self expression, to absorb what is useful and discard what is not - to my understanding I think he means that everybody is different, some people are naturally strong, some quick, flexable etc etc. so it would be logical to work on areas of particular martial arts which compliment your various physical abilities.

So with this in mind I cant see how various clubs can can claim to teach Jeet kune do, I surpose one can point one in the particular right direction but dont think it can be taught as such as it requires self knowledge and this can only be learned by yourself, I hope people can see where I'm coming from here and dont take offence as this was not my intention at all.

My understanding of most martial arts so far is - and remember please dont take offence... nearly every martial arts roots stems down to one master, like Aikido for example was the great Morihei Ueshiba - There is no doubt that he was an incredible fighter and phylosopher but did he aquire this ability through self knowledge and expression and understanding which ultimately turned in the very effective martial art Aikido.

I surpose the ultimate question is do you think Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do would have turned into an actual martial art form eventually if he didn't meet his unfortunate early demise, and when one becomes a master do they become a master of a martial art or a master of themselves, I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

pug32
04-Jun-2004, 10:49 PM
My understanding of this so far is that it is not a martial art nor a art form but a form of self expression, to absorb what is useful and discard what is not - to my understanding I think he means that everybody is different, some people are naturally strong, some quick, flexable etc etc. so it would be logical to work on areas of particular martial arts which compliment your various physical abilities.

So with this in mind I cant see how various clubs can can claim to teach Jeet kune do, I surpose one can point one in the particular right direction but dont think it can be taught as such as it requires self knowledge and this can only be learned by yourself, I hope people can see where I'm coming from here and dont take offence as this was not my intention at all.

My understanding of most martial arts so far is - and remember please dont take offence... nearly every martial arts roots stems down to one master, like Aikido for example was the great Morihei Ueshiba - There is no doubt that he was an incredible fighter and phylosopher but did he aquire this ability through self knowledge and expression and understanding which ultimately turned in the very effective martial art Aikido.

I surpose the ultimate question is do you think Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do would have turned into an actual martial art form eventually if he didn't meet his unfortunate early demise, and when one becomes a master do they become a master of a martial art or a master of themselves, I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

Jeet Kune Do to Bruce Lee was Jun Fan (the martial art he developed). If they don't have Jun Fan as a base then it should be called MMA not JKD.

He was the top person in Jun Fan which is a martial art not in JKD so to answer your question, no it would not have. But yes Jun Fan would have continued to develop with him. Into what form everyone can and does regularaly speculate about.

To be honest its all faily boring, go to a club and get an idea :D

Nukite
15-Jun-2004, 09:59 AM
I have been doing various studies on martial arts for about 8 years now, mainly reading but have also practised Wing Chun, Lau Gar, Karate, and Aikido recently and am really interested in bruce lee's philosophy and art form of Jeet Kune Do.

My understanding of this so far is that it is not a martial art nor a art form but a form of self expression, to absorb what is useful and discard what is not - to my understanding I think he means that everybody is different, some people are naturally strong, some quick, flexable etc etc. so it would be logical to work on areas of particular martial arts which compliment your various physical abilities.

So with this in mind I cant see how various clubs can can claim to teach Jeet kune do, I surpose one can point one in the particular right direction but dont think it can be taught as such as it requires self knowledge and this can only be learned by yourself, I hope people can see where I'm coming from here and dont take offence as this was not my intention at all.

My understanding of most martial arts so far is - and remember please dont take offence... nearly every martial arts roots stems down to one master, like Aikido for example was the great Morihei Ueshiba - There is no doubt that he was an incredible fighter and phylosopher but did he aquire this ability through self knowledge and expression and understanding which ultimately turned in the very effective martial art Aikido.

I surpose the ultimate question is do you think Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do would have turned into an actual martial art form eventually if he didn't meet his unfortunate early demise, and when one becomes a master do they become a master of a martial art or a master of themselves, I hope you can see where I'm coming from.
Yes you must do the work for mastery clubs only give you external answers and fixed patterns, the truth is outside of fixed pattern, helpful as fixed patterns is the truth of one self will always start and evolve according to self knowledge and mastery of self. You don,t teach JKD you recover what is lost in fixed patterns and return to simplicity and directness, it always there and need tapping into and as applied by self to external form less form. Free thinking and liberated from structure that limits the natural way the mind works, from this flows Chi, intuition, physic real seeing. The real JKD the mind development and techinique flows from this.