Throwing up ?

[Bon]

Often when I'm training, I train to the point where I throw up, or I get very close to it. I generally go pretty hard when I'm training, as close to full out as possible. Tonight I think I wrestled somewhere between 10-20min before I was easily being thrown around like a rag doll, as someone else puts it, 'my missus would have beaten you up!' I had a cup of coffee, piece of fudge, piece of caramal slice & a le rice about two hours before training.

In my previous training session, where I was doing laps in the pool, I did throw up after doing around 13 laps and I only had a glass of juice about an hour before (no breakfest).

Does anyone have any ideas why ?

[YODA]

[i] I only had a glass of juice about an hour before (no breakfest).
[/B]

.... TaDaaaaa........

Seems pretty obvious. An engine can't run without fuel in the tank!

[Bon]

Yeh, what about tonight though ?

I have been jogging before on an empty stomach and haven't thrown up..

[TkdWarrior]

from my some experiences(good n bad) u should take something lite at least half n hour-45 min before practice... especially some orange juice... it helps...
but i never throw up because of empty stomach...
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

Our MA teacher once had made us sit in a position where u lie in ur back and then bring ur torso and legs up and hold there for 20 minutes Some guys were even crying and the teacher told them to to rest after they could bear it no more, but he was really hard on the experienced, I threw up after about 5 minutes...my god my stomach burned like hell the next day...

I think u should choose ur exercises which to throw up, I mean when I was once doing puch-ups till failure, my arms simply lost control and SMACK The sound of my chin kissing the floor......believe me it ain't funny nor is it pleaseant to being smacked like that.

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[KarateKid1975]

It happened to me a few times. When I was still in TSD, I trained hard. We were doing a lot of jump and spinning kicks ..... OMG!!! I ate before I went too .... big mistake! I just made it to the bathroom. The other time was during a sparring clinic. I was going hard there also, and I lost it after about five minutes. I ate before that too. Now I eat light before class (about two hours before). I have a class of juice an hour before class, then it's nothing but water or a sports drink. I seem to do fine with that. Everyone is different, though. Find what works for you.

[Bon]

Okay, throwing up isn't necessarily bad... :D

Everyone is different, though. Find what works for you.

True, nice!

[Cain]

I never said that throwing up is bad I just meant that you should'nt throw up in some exercises unless of course you have a spotter, surely you would'nt want to throw up in a bench press without hving a spotter otherwise you can get a BIG heart attack even at ur age :D

|Cain|

[Bon]

lol!

it'll be more motivation to get that bar off me! :D

[dredleviathan]

Erm... just my opinion of course but do you really think that you should be training to the point that you vomit at all? OK it happens that way sometimes but this shouldn't be your aim. It seems to me that this is an indication that you are over-stressing yourself and that your body is reacting against that. If you don't listen to your body then somewhere down the line you will do yourself more harm than good. How often are you talking about by the way - every day, twice a week, once a week, once a month?

And what the hell was that about not throwing up unless you have a spotter (apart from the obvious catching the weights)? What its suddenly ok because you have a witness or someone to fetch a bucket? Would you want to spot for someone that was aiming to chuck up?

There's a difference between training intensely and training beyond your abilities. I mean train hard but train sensibly please! Training progressively with small regular increments is going to have better long term benefits than pushing yourself to voimit point all the time.

I think I've been training in various martial arts for about 8 years now (at different points in my life) and I've never puked as a result of training. I have seen it happen in really hard sparring classes but this wasn't the aim of the person to get to that point. I think once in a while I've felt a bit light-headed or dizzy - thats about it. That's not to say I didn't give it all I had but it just seems a bit nuts to be vomiting all the time. I've bled, spat bits of tooth out, broken bones, strained ligaments, pulled muscles etc etc but please note not on purpose.

As other people on this forum have suggested you should look to your pre- and post-training nutrition to make sure you are fuelling yourself correctly and then maybe the next time you are having a hard session perhaps ease off just before throwing up. Then build the intensity up again and then ease off a bit if you feel ill. Eventually your stamina will increase through such a progressive approach. And then if you really insist upon it have a vomit session once in a while.

Come to think of it one of our Thai instructors does call his hard workouts a "vomit sesssion" but they always leave me fighting for air not to keep my food down. How many others of you regularly push yourselves to this point?

[TkdWarrior]

. It seems to me that this is an indication that you are over-stressing yourself and that your body is reacting against that. If you don't listen to your body then somewhere down the line you will do yourself more harm than good.
words from wise :)
good post dre
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

My answer is 'failure' throwing up does not necessarrily mean u aim to injure urself, but you are training for endurance, doing an exersice until u can go no further, ie reps till failure.

Remember injury and training till failure are two totally different things.

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[TkdWarrior]

u know wat u throw is corrosive n u r used to do regularly...it'll harm ur teeth...??
-TkdWarrior-

[Bon]

My last post was reeking with sarcasm, btw.

I don't aim to throw up, but it does seem to happen a few times a month...

[Cain]

:confused:

Did not see wat exactly u mean.....if u r talking about my chin smacking the floor, I meant to say that you hv to choose carefully which exercises to continue till failure...after all wat can happen to you except for muscle soreness which recovers easily.

But I never try flexibility exercises like that that u know.... a pulled muscle is wat u get from it [Or at least wat I get from it :D ]

|Cain|

[mattsylvester]

I throw up through over exertion as Yoda can testify! I was training with some guys at Dave's grappling seminar and was blowing chunks after only about 5 mins of sparring.

I think fitness and breathing have something to do with it as well as I also puke after and during boxing training.

[dredleviathan]

Sorry perhaps I should have been more accurate with my opinion previously.

My point wasn't that this doesn't happen i.e. people puke through exertion all the time. My point really was that if this is happening to you on a regular basis then maybe you should lay off these sessions a bit or chill them down a little and work on your conditioning until you can handle the sessions? The other alternaive that I suggested was to push yourself to the point just before puking then calm it for a bit before upping the intensity again. Kind of like the interval training that Yoda has mentioned before (i.e. sprint a bit, jog a bit, walk a bit, then sprint again). If you're training for competition then it sort of mimicks that quite well. You don't go full blast in the first round at the risk of burning out shoudl the fight go on to further rounds.

Or if the vomit thing is simply a nutrition thing then sort this out and save yourself the trouble. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think that vomiting regularly could have the potential for causing problems in the stomach or digestive tract due to the amount of acid it contains. Also as mentioned this can cause problems with your teeth if it becomes such a regular thing (as with Bulimia and other eating disorders). Again I could be wrong but personally I don't want to experiment on myself to find out. Also I hate cleaning puke up even when its my own.

Its not that I don't train hard myself or condone hard training in general but as I said before its best to train hard but also to train smart (sounds familiar).

Doing any exercise to failure or beyond must increase the likelihood of picking up an injury as you have technically lost control. This is obviously most likely when training with weights and unspotted. Its seems less likely doing body-weight exercises. I'm pretty impressed at your commitment to this regime cain_charlie - taking a nose dive into the floor! Do you also do sit-ups until you get a hernia and pull ups until you fall to the floor?

Have you heard of pyramids or ramping? I think you might find them useful and less injurous!

But then its possible I'm wrong and the reason I'm not a fantasitc martial artist is that I simplty haven't puked enough.

[TkdWarrior]

the reason I'm not a fantasitc martial artist is that I simplty haven't puked enough.
lol that cracked me up...
count me in dude with u...i havn't puked it once(only once had a feeling that too becuase i ate 1/2 hr before)
actually u r rite...u increase the chances of injury with over training ur body...
if u got seriously injured then u don't get sensu beans to heal u up :)
-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

I agree that it definitely is not advisable to train in such conditions.

I hv often felt like puking sometimes and I hv stopped training immediately the moment I felt like puking.

But then that is not called as 'throwing up' ...throwing up I think is pushing ur body to the limit to gain endurance, in other words endurance training.

|Cain|

[TkdWarrior]

"throwing up I think is pushing ur body to the limit to gain endurance, in other words endurance training."

endurance is when u reach ur body limit n u do a jut a bit more...

throwing up is when u reach ur body limit n u try to reach it again by over excercising...with this way u gain endurance i hope not...

-TkdWarrior-

[Cain]

I don't think throwing up is the right word lemme make it clear once and for all -

Tkdwarrior said -

endurance is when u reach ur body limit n u do a jut a bit more...

Correct then how do u train for endurance? By enduring of course :D

The best jogger in the world can't be the best sprinter.

Again u said -

throwing up is when u reach ur body limit n u try to reach it again by over excercising...with this way u gain endurance i hope not..

Now did I mention over exercising? not that I remember of, I simply said pushing ur body to the limit, overexercising is when u know u r going to hurt and u still ignore it.

|Cain|

[dredleviathan]

I've never seen throwing up in any article I've ever read on endurance training.

As far as I'm concerned I've always thought of endurance training as the progressive raising of your body's limits by gradually challenging yourself to go further. I don't think you have to try and go beyond your limits just train near the limit for an extended period. By its very nature a limit is the final point. For instance when you run (or any other CV exercise) you exercise within a training zone that challenges your CV system and progressively increases your endurance. Or you add in some sprints and vary your routine. You don't plan out a 3 mile run and try to sprint the entire distance - this will just leave you in a crumpled pile about 400 meters from where you started out in a pile of your latest meal.

Also the other point about training to failure are issues concerning your recovery. I'm guessing that most people on the fprum have the same problems as me in trying to balance their skills training, weights, cardio etc with their work commitments and attempts to have a life. To do this I have to train most days in different things. If I trained to the point of failure on one day then I am unlikely to train well the next. Its a difficult balance to maintain. This wasn't such an issue when I was a student as I could ensure that I got 12 hours of sleep each night (well actually it was generally during the day to be honest)!

As an interesting aside, my hangover today appears to have progressed to the point that I am now feeling servely ill so this discussion is fairly apt.

Drinking: an instance of an area in which my endurance could do with being lower!

[Cain]

Sheesh not beyond ur limits, I meant to ur limits

|Cain|

[dredleviathan]

cain_charlie you said:

...throwing up I think is pushing ur body to the limit to gain endurance, in other words endurance training.


Mate throwing up is throwing up its nothing to do with endurance.

Throwing up, puking, vomiting, chundering, blowing chunks, yodelling, toilet opera etc etc call it what you will its not something that is generally included in endurance training or any other type of training (except maybe Rugby it seemed to be very much a part of Rugby but then so was dancing naked on the table with your old fella in a pint). I digress...

[Cain]

I just put words in the wrong way, not endurance, not throwing up

During training u train by pushing urself to the limit no more sometimes less :D

Actually we were agreeing but I m just bad at explaining things :(

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Its your body's way of saying you've done too much. Ejecting excess matter to concentrate on coping with the job at hand! :D Maybe some of its caused by nerves of heavy sparring? Or by eating the wrong things before training. Fatty stuff always feels like its coming back up, so I avoid that.

[Cain]

I don't know why is everyone discussing puking :confused: the original discussion never meant to be about that :confused:

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Originally posted by cain_charlie
I don't know why is everyone discussing puking :confused: the original discussion never meant to be about that :confused:

|Cain|

LMFAO :D

The all thread is about puking up Cain, What do you think throwing up means ;)

[Cain]

Sheesh!!! I think everyone got confused up in the name and by wat Karatekid said. I feel like I was arguing in the mirror in my last posts.

Sheesh!!!! I am puking up because of the misunderstandings, Oh brother :( and then my explaination of the endurance all wrong :(

All I meant to say not to overdo it but still do it hard enuff, and these words definitely don't hv anything to do with puking.......oh brother :( I really lost my temper before editing :(

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Don't worry about it Cain, must be difficult learning all the strange English terms, but your doing well, don't hurl over it ;)

[Cain]

Thanx PGM :)

|Cain|

[YODA]

I agree - don't barf Cain, or chunder or spew or shout for God down the great white telephone :D

[Cain]

LOL!!! By the way u read my post before I edited it???

|Cain|

[pgm316]

My Dad used to hurl in Ireland, always makes me laugh when he shows me where he used to hurl!

[Cain]

Hurl??? :confused: hurl wat???? :confused:

|Cain|

[pgm316]

I don't think I read that, whatever you wrote!

Its a sport in Ireland, and it doesn't involve vomit, usually, unless you exert yourself, in which case you need a spotter :D

[Cain]

LOL!!! :D

Hmm...it's good u did'nt read my posy b'fore I edited it, I really sounded like a dunce :woo:

I wonder if Yoda as the MOD could read the unedited post......

|Cain|

[dredleviathan]

Hey cain_charlie,

Sorry mate I didn't read your profile previously and hadn't realized that the misunderstanding was down to a simple misunderstanding in terms.

I was talking to my girlfriend last night about the conversation (she doesn't like to discuss this kind of thing due to her ability to puke for no apparent reason) and she reminded me that I become very adept at hurling when we passed through Bombay about 6 or 7 years ago... I think I had a maximum range of 2.5 metres at one point (by the way nothing to do with Irish sports either).

[Cain]

OH that's ok dude, I guess we all agree now *hug* :D

|Cain|

[STASH]

This is a weird thread...you guys are scaring me.

[TkdWarrior]

yo stash i agree..they talk some crazy crap...
-TkdWarrior-

[STASH]

Originally posted by dredleviathan
she reminded me that I become very adept at hurling when we passed through Bombay about 6 or 7 years ago... I think I had a maximum range of 2.5 metres at one point

HAHA, i have an idea... next time someone attacks you dredleviathan, launch a puke projectile at their eyes! Imagine what the attacker would be thinking: "...did he just puke on me?!?!"

[Cain]

LOL!!!! :D :D

|Cain|

[Cain]

Sorry to bring this thread back to the living but I just wanted to confess one really dumb thing :(

I thought Bon was mentioning training hard but after reading it again about 5 times I realised that the discussion is about 'vomiting' Man I really feel embarrassed, I thought ppl had gone off-topic when they mentioned vomiting later in the thread, my earlier posts did not cover vomiting but hard training which I thought the discussion was about, U guys hv my sincierest apologies for making everything so misunderstood.

Sheesh!!! How dumb must hv I sounded when I mentioned a 'spotter' :( I am really embarrased but I feel a little better now.

|Cain|