Best way to learn "wrong"?

[Maximicus]

Which is, IYO, the best method to learn OTHER than by a qualified instructor? Made me think, sice alot of bashing of these goes about this site alot. PLEASE POST! :D

[Pepsi32123]

Jail people are really tough because they always box a bag. I picked wearing a T shirt, bragging that they can fight. Skill doesn't build on boasting. Every other way is effective, but to a degree.

[Albert]

The best other method would be self taught through whatever. But yah, i picked t-shirt as the worst, lol, i saw someone wearing one like that not to long ago, and asked him about it, he said he doesnt know any karate.

[Maximicus]

Actually I was looking for best alternative method, lol.

[Darting Viper]

Greetings!

In my opinion, shadow boxing with techniques you don't know and dreaming up theorectical fight situations and rehearsing them are the worst ways to try and learn how to fight. I have first hand experience :). When you haven't really studied anything, you will watch a scene in a movie where, say, one guy swings at another guy and the other guy easily blocks it and throws him. Or, you will watch combos being performed on tv and you try and mimic them without knowing the importance of turning your hips into your punches, keeping one hand up at all times to cover your face, and other such dynamics and, after the rehearsals, you will believe that you are ready for the streets. Next, you dream up theorectical (and fantastical) scenerios, such as, if that thug at school did this to me, I would just do such and such to him. Here's the result: let's say someone is being picked on. You believe that, after your made-up shadow boxing training, you can easily defeat him. You might actually have the confidence, but without actual skills to bolster that confidence, to confront the guy doing the bullying. I need not say that the results will not be pretty.

Here's my story. After mimicking and practicing a few moves from action movies, I thought I was a martial arts master. I would think to myself, if anyone throws a punch at me, I would just grab it, sweep him, and finish him. Or, if anyone ever throws a kick at me, I would do this and that. Then, in high school, I met my first sensei, who was a blue belt in kuro-bushi kai karate-do kempo at that time. He saw me shadow boxing and asked if I studied anything. I basically told him I knew everything. He was impressed and we decided to have an informal sparring match. After he was able to tag me about ten times with me not being able to pass his guards at all, it was then that I realized that I have been deceiving myself. It's a good thing I never tried to confront a thug :).

However, if a guy just walks around with a shirt that reads, "Pete's Karate Academy," it's highly doubtful that s/he'll develop the false sense of actually knowing how to fight.

Just my thoughts.

Your brother in the martial arts,
Darting Viper

[MichaelV]

Actually I was looking for best alternative method, lol.

I think this poll got a little screwed up.

I picked Fight Club. If you want to learn how to fight, fight.

[Pepsi32123]

I picked Fight Club. If you want to learn how to fight, fight.

Right. If a person wears a T-shirt and gets into a fight, no better time to learn than that time. I saw one girl wearing a TKD shirt, and I wanted to smack her (not litterally).

[Maximicus]

Funny, since so many MAs trace their roots back to a guy wandering around in jail or the woods (usually drunk, or using drugs) for some years and coming back a grandmaster and founder of a MA.

[K_Coffin]

Wow. Is that how you earned your Billionth degree super mega tiger striped platinum belt in Butt-whoop? I didn't know it was that easy! In reality, the best way in my opinion would be fight club style, since you'll at least learn how to handle your emotions and responses in a real fight. Granted, you'll take some hard hits on the way, and it'll take much longer, but I think you'll come out knowing more about yourself.

[Mind Aflame]

Ah, Like a few others I seem to have misenterpreted the question, I thought it was which is the overall worst way of learning rather than the best alternative to teaching.

[Pepsi32123]

Ah, Like a few others I seem to have misenterpreted the question, I thought it was which is the overall worst way of learning rather than the best alternative to teaching.

Well, the best way to learn wrong is kind of a contradictory statement. No offence, but I had to read a few posts before I figured what the original question meant.

[Kenpo Kicker]

Fight club aproach but you will still suck. I have seen some "fight club" aproaches and they don't fight well. They throw haymakers up the yin yang.

[shootodog]

the reality is that if you want to learn how to do, it is better to do than not to do. if it is fighting then better to fight than not fight. fight club. you wouldn't be pretty but at least it'd work.

[Grifter]

I picked "fight club".

I think the best thing to do would be to combine the "fight club", books/videos, and shadowboxing. Going to jail to learn to fight is just dumb and being in isolation doesnt mean you'll learn to fight. Video games and movies are really only good for entertainment, some aren't even good for that. But they dont really teach you anything. A shirts is..well a shirt. I dont think its going to teach you anything. Im sure everybody knew that and it didnt really need to be said, but I said it anyway. As for learning at a McDojo, they arent the best schools to learn at, but an instructor is an instructor. So I just ignored that choice.

[Pepsi32123]

The best way to learn at a dojo is to train at your house what you learned. That's what I do, and I feel confident about this upcoming tournament. Video games can be learned from if they're really good animation looking, but only so much can be learned. From there you can only learn from your mistakes.

[Jackie Li]

And why would u learn wrong?

[Xio]

I reckon the best way to learn other than a MA school is the "alone of tropical island" thing. The worst one i think would be the "i know karate" T-shirt.

[Kagebushi]

if you have someone to practice with, then the instructional videos/books are best i think, if you know who to get them from. if not, well, i'd go for fightclub, or a combo of fightclub and books/videos.