Hip Throw help

[johnson]

I have just tried my hip throw against a 23 stone behemoth - nice bloke though. When somebody has a fat belly it that hangs under your centre of gravity how can you make this work. I am 15 stone. I find it extremely hard to reach around the waist to get a good grip for the throw.


Id appreciate any suggestions...

[Ghost Frog]

-Make sure you pull them off balance before moving in for the throw, by pulling their arm round, if that's your style.
-You don't need to get your arm right round his waist.
-Make sure your hips are tight in to his and bend your knees until his centre of gravity is above yours. If you watch judoka doing hip-type throws in competition, they sometimes bend their knees until their backside is nearly to the ground.
-If you need to, move in low to begin with rather than waiting until you're in position.

HTH.

[blackbelt_judoj]

I practise judo and i like to think that i'm pretty good at the old hip throws.

Firstly, if you want to throw a "fat guy" then forget putting your arm round his waist. Instead try the following.

Grip either around his nech or high up the collar. Come in for the hip throw but only turn in so that you are at 90 degrees to your opponent. Your right arm should be drawing him off balance.

Now "shrug" your hips in the same way you would shrug your shoulders. This is supposed to load your opponent onto your hip (NOT back). You can now rotate him oin the air and drop him on his arse!!

If this is still to hard, transfer all your weight onto your left leg. Your right leg can now be used to reap/sweep his supporting leg off the floor to help throw him.

Easy. Good luck

[Aegis]

That would be using an uke-goshi rather than an o-goshi I presume?

[ROokie]

hey.

i started jujsitu four weeks ago and to be honest im not very good. I also cannot seem to hip throw this heavy guy in my class. My advice would be to not hip throw him. If he really is prooving a lot of trouble to hip throw use a different type of throw or take down or what ever. With heavy people i know im new and have no diea but i find body drops works better.

[Yukimushu]

hey.

i started jujsitu four weeks ago and to be honest im not very good. I also cannot seem to hip throw this heavy guy in my class. My advice would be to not hip throw him. If he really is prooving a lot of trouble to hip throw use a different type of throw or take down or what ever. With heavy people i know im new and have no diea but i find body drops works better.

Don't worry about it, it'll come in time my friend...

[Kogusoku]

It's important to remember to pull your training partner forward when initiating the throw, to pull him off balance and to make sure that your hips are at a lower level than his hips (This can be acheived by bending your knees.) and are attacking his centre of balance. At the instant that he is pulled forward and you have taken his balance with your hips, you should spring your legs and throw.

[cal_JJJ]

Johnson; This is something that everyone has a problem w/ at some point in Judo/JJ, and just takes time to work out.

It is harder to move large people than small people, lift heavy people than light people, & get under short people than tall people. And there is no getting around that. But, if you keep at it, you will develope the ability to ajust the timeing of your movements to compensate for diff. body types.

e.g., A tall/light person can be off-ballanced a lot early and still provide ample room to get under their center of ballance. A short/heavy person is thrown the same as any other but the timing is diff. You can't off-ballance them too much to soon because you have to get under their lower center of balance and it is more as if you are off-balancing them on to you then lifting w/ your legs.

wow, rampling a bit. Hope it helps. Cal

[Bigfoot]

Why do you have to use a hit throw? The reason you learn different types of throws is to use them in different situations. If this partner is too big, then use a leg throw or a sacrifice etc.. Would you try to use a Kata Gatame (Fireman's throw) on him? I am fairly good at throwing people and I don't use all throws on all people. Just like I don't use all locks on all people. I have one student that is so muscular that I cannot reach around his arm and neck to choke him. I have to go pure neck if I want to choke him bare.

[cal_JJJ]

Bigfoot;
Yep.

I'm assuming that Johnson is dealing with Dojo activities other than Randori such as forms or testing that requires you do every throw in some sort of rotation.

Also, I don't think most sacrafice throws are a good idea against someone shorter and heavier than you, to easy to counter.

[TheMachine]

you have to break that person's balance in order to get to throw him. technique is very crucial

[Tatsumaru]

you could try placing your hand under his armpit (if its not too sweaty :D) instead of around his waist. This gives you more power and speed but you have to be careful that you do not accidentally turn the throw into a body drop. I find the key point when facing a much heavier opponent is speed, you need to perform the throw in one motion before they regain balance.

[ROokie]

could someone explain the hip throw a little more. when i try it how come i alwasy end up falling down on my opponent, i cud use it to my advantage but am i supposed to fall over lol.

[cal_JJJ]

Tatsumaru; "you could try placing your hand under his armpit (if its not too sweaty ) instead of around his waist. This gives you more power and speed but you have to be careful that you do not accidentally turn the throw into a body drop. I find the key point when facing a much heavier opponent is speed, you need to perform the throw in one motion before they regain balance."

That depends on what style of school he is studying under. Some allow you to place your hand anywhere from the shoulder to the obi for Ogoshi & others require you to be at the obi only for Ogoshi.

ROokie; "could someone explain the hip throw a little more. when i try it how come i alwasy end up falling down on my opponent, i cud use it to my advantage but am i supposed to fall over lol."

That most often (IME) is caused by bending forward to much/ to late insted of keeping your head up and lowering & raising yourself w/ your legs.

[aml01_ph]

I have just tried my hip throw against a 23 stone behemoth - nice bloke though. When somebody has a fat belly it that hangs under your centre of gravity how can you make this work. I am 15 stone. I find it extremely hard to reach around the waist to get a good grip for the throw.


Id appreciate any suggestions...

Like what Blackbelt_judoj said forget about reaching all around his waist. Just go for the belt at the middle of his back. Bend your legs to get under his cnter of gravity and lift him up simultaneously with your leg while executing a pull to the side you prefer.

This is why weight training helps in judo.

[Aegis]

Best not to even attempt lifting him with your legs if he's 23 stone. Better to just let him roll around if you can.

[cal_JJJ]

Johnson, How is this guy for taking a fall? IME over-weight students aren't comfortable falling & resist some which complicates things even more if your in a sittuation where you don't have the freedom to switch to a counter technique.

[snailfist]

Rookie:try placing your right foot slightly in front of your left (assuming you do the throw right-handed)if stability is a problem.
Johnson: I never grip my opponent's waist when doing this throw, and would recommend instead Grabbing him by the head grabbing his belt Going under his left armpit aiming to place your right hand on his far (right) shoulder
(NB these are not grips specifically for larger opponents, and you may find that last 1 in particular difficult; these are just ones I find conducive to the mechanics of the throw.)
I would recommend breaking his balance with some degree of force; you'll need it to overcome his extra inertia. As already mentioned, it might be advisable to enter low (so bend your knees as you step across to apply the grip). This will not only get you below his gut to get your hips into his, but should also prevent you sliding down past his gut as you bend- which would push him back on balance.

EDIT:As aegis mentioned, you don't want to be lifting your legs- it's not only hard with someone of that weight, but could also have a similar effect to the slide i mentioned above, and is poor technique anyway! Once you're in position with the grip applied, just twist your right shoulder towards your left foot and help that motion by pulling with your left arm.

Throwing heavy people is a pain, and my inclination in a fight would always be to hit them and run. But if it's any encouragement, once you can throw "heavies" well you'll hardly even feel those of an average weight. :)

[aml01_ph]

A good way of off setting the balance of your opponent is by sweeping the forward leg in such a way that he falls forward while you are shooting in.

[johnson]

Thanks for the response guys - you've given me alot to think about... what a great site!

[speed_dragon]

catch more off guard if he sees u knifing in for the throw he would be more prepared strike him hard sumwhere then throw..or lift weights and get stronger