LOTR The Two Towers

[Obi-Wan]

I am not sure whether this has been posted before, but what the hell......... I think it deserves another post anyway!

What are peoples thoughts on the upcoming film?

Anybody actually booked there tickets yet??

[Greyghost]

booked ma tickets.....go to see it on the 18th december 2002..

wooo hoo ...can't wait.

[Obi-Wan]

It looks amazing........ just counting the days down.........

[YODA]

Originally posted by Greyghost
booked ma tickets.....go to see it on the 18th december 2002..

wooo hoo ...can't wait.


Ditto :D


Good to see they've done a good job with Treebeard - have you seen the pics?

Pity they've left out Shelob & moved her to the start of ROTK

The battle of Helm's Deep it gonna be awesome :D

[Obi-Wan]

Awesome maybe an understatement ! :D

After watching some of the trailers, I am left gobsmacked and left drooling!!!

To those who don't know the story, or who has never seen the cartoon, I think it ruins it a little by showing Gandalf in the trailer. Anybody else agree?

[YODA]

Originally posted by Obi-Wan
Awesome maybe an understatement ! :D

After watching some of the trailers, I am left gobsmacked and left drooling!!!

To those who don't know the story, or who has never seen the cartoon, I think it ruins it a little by showing Gandalf in the trailer. Anybody else agree?



Absolutely.


Anyone seen the extended version of the FOTR DVD yet? It's good - very good.

[Obi-Wan]

I haven't been able to watch it yet, however a mate of mine has. And he shares your opinion, he says its a must see before your go and watch the 2 Towers. As it shows you more of the story line etc..

I bought the normal DVD when it came out, but now I have to wait until after Xmas to get the extended version one....... You never know whether somebody has got it me for Xmas!! :D

[Greyghost]

i bought the extended version...it really fleshes out the film that bit more....

don't think showing gandalf ruins (unless you haven't read the books) the film.

apparently viggo mortenson has become a top notch sword fighter bloke....all the trainers thought he has some real talent.

helms deep looks great...can't wait to see the ringwraiths on the back of the carrion.


woo hooo..the 18th !!!

[Fuzzy Panther]

I got the extended version DVD of FOTR. It's AWESOME!!!!!!!

My mom and I got advance tickets for The Two Towers on Thanksgiving (for which we were very thankful!;) ) for the 18th!!!!! I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw FOTR 5 times when it was in the theater (my mom saw it 7)! I wonder how many times we'll end up seeing TT's!:D

Fuzzy Panther
:Angel:

[YODA]

LOL!

We saw FOTR 6 times I think :D

[Fuzzy Panther]

COOL!!!!!:) :D :cool: ;) :p We met some people at the theater who've seen it 10 times!!!! That's a lot of hours!

Fuzzy Panther
:Angel:

[Jim]

I'm still annoyed about them leaving out Tom Bombadil...

Can't believe they've moved Shelob to the next movie!... WHY WHY WHY?

If you're gunna make a movie like this, why change anything?

[Spike]

If you're gunna make a movie like this, why change anything?

Well, if you didnt change anything, the movies would each be about nine hours long for a start.

Any idea where I can see pics of treebeard?

[YODA]

Right here :D

[Jim]

That's not Treebeard, that's Tree Face! :D

[Spike]

cool

[Obi-Wan]

The picture of Treebeard is cool!! cheers

13 days..........................

[Martial Sloth]

Hmmm :) Hell yeah, so looking forward to seeing what Shelob's gonna look like!! That scene's one of my favourite's in the book!!

[YODA]

Hehehe


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[johndoch]

My only complaint about the first film is there is no Tom Bombadil, and the mad tree that ate one of the Hobbits, and the bit where the hobbits get pulled into the barrow downs and are held prisoner by the ghosts.

I know its a long film and these scenes were probably dropped but I could watch this film for hours. Cant wait till I can sit and watch the whole trilogy back to back.

[YODA]

The justification for leaving out Tom B etc was that, for people who have not read the books, that whole section does nothing to move the plot forward.

Persoannly I'd have been happier if they'd left Glorfindel where he was meant to be & left Arwen where she should have been. Then again we wouldn't have had as much Liv Tyler to drool over :D

[johndoch]

:love: Liv tyler is one cute elve babe:love:

[YODA]

Originally posted by johndoch
:love: Liv tyler is one cute elve babe:love:


Oh yeah :D

[Spike]

Quote:
"Hell yeah, so looking forward to seeing what Shelob's gonna look like!! That scene's one of my favourite's in the book!!"

I`m gonna have to watch that scene with my eyes shut, I`m very arachnophobic, that scene is one of my nightmares

Quote:
"The justification for leaving out Tom B etc was that, for people who have not read the books, that whole section does nothing to move the plot forward. "

Yeah, Tolkien can be very long winded at times

Quote:
"Liv tyler is one cute elve babe"

One of my mates has never forgiven me for saying her best friend looks like an elf, I don`t get it

[YODA]

I`m gonna have to watch that scene with my eyes shut, I`m very arachnophobic, that scene is one of my nightmares

Have you seen the new Harry Potter film yet?

If not - don't.

Spiders.

BIG Spiders.

LOTS of big spiders!

[Freeform]

I wanted the big spider, the big snake and the phoenix to be locked in a cage together and have to fight each other!!!

[YODA]

Well - just got back from watching the film.

On the whole I love it :D

Without giving away any spoliers for those that haven't seen it....

Pluses...

Awesome Balrog v Gandalf scene.
Helm's deep was very well done.
Gollum was cool - didn't like his voice at first. Sounded like that duckling off Tom & Jerry - but it grew on me.
Treebeard & the Ents where fantastic - exactly as I'd imagined them.

Minuses...
Too many Gimli comedy bits. They where funny but they over did it. Made it seem like he was there just for comedy value - like Dwarves at the circus - made me a bit uneasy.
Major changes to the original plot - I don't want to give anything away so I'll say no more for now.
Faramir was crap. Seemed like a totally different character from the one in the book.

I need to see it again - and soon!

[Fuzzy Panther]

Saw The Two Towers this morning. Very good! Can't wait to see it again! I'm not the only one disappointed in Faromir but the Ents were fantastic!!!! Even more awesome then I imagined!

Fuzzy Panther
:Angel:

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Only problem I had with the film was that the Ents simply tore the place apart with their hands rather than sinking their roots down. Otherwise absolutely fantastic.

I kind of liked Gimli, always saw the dwarves as slightly comedic when I was reading it, but that's mainly because I play D&D.

[Spike]

I liked it a lot but it wasn`t as good as I thought it`d be.
I felt that they got it halway between pleasing those who have read the book, and doing the film for those who haven`t and it sort of spluttered about a little bit

[YODA]

------ I forgot to say...

Gollum - the new BJJ Phenom! Hooks & rear naked choke, round 2! If it hadn't have been a pesky 2 on 1 fight he'd have kicked some Baggins Butt :D

[Spike]

Legolas at Helm`s Deep was very cool, espeially the bit sliding down the stairs on the shield, stylish.

[DeSeRt RaT UK]

Originally posted by Fuzzy Panther
I'm not the only one disappointed in Faromir


The film didn't do him justice. In the book, he's a proper gentleman to Frodo and Sam. But in the film they kind of tarnished that. Maybe it was just an excuse to show Osigilath?

I was a bit dissapointed when I saw the elves at helms deep but it kind of grew on me when the battle started :)

Originally posted by ckdstudent
Only problem I had with the film was that the Ents simply tore the place apart with their hands rather than sinking their roots down. Otherwise absolutely fantastic.


Thought it was only the huorns that did that?

[YODA]

Yeah - where were the Huorns?

Nice to see they did a good job with the Oliphaunts though :D

[dredleviathan]

Saw the film yesterday and thought it was great. It will definitely be better when you can see it as part of the trilogy rather than having to wait a year for the next bit - I'm not sure it stands alone particularly well (jumps right in at the start and then kinda petters out).

I also found it helped if I pretended that I hadn't read the books. The plot changes were... well... changes. The only bonus being more Liz Tyler...

As already mentioned by others, the ents were cool. Need a few of these guys on the England cricket squad I reckon - did you see their bowling?!

The battle scene was just amazing and it was only after about 15 minutes that I managed to release my grip on the chair arm. I also have a stiff neck from the tension I was feeling. Must have been the battle frenzy coming on!

I was about to turn to my boss and mention that Gollum appears to be doing BJJ but then realized he woudln't have a damned clue what I was talking about. He woudl totally have submitted Frodo and I don't reckon Sam would have given him much trouble either if they weren't working together.

Must watch it again soon!

P.S. Have to agree about the Dwarf stuff... how many Dwarf throwing jokes do you need?

[Greyghost]

u can never have enough dwarf throwing jokes.

Wasn't disappointed in the least by the film, you gotta remember that the film is made so it can be enjoyed by the lowest common denominator....(you know who i mean)

Legolas rocks, Aragorn gets better everytim ei see the film...and yes Gimli was portrayed as the comedy dwarf in the film...but it needed it .

Gollum was excellent , i actually felt sorry for him ....and i hates him my precious.

I agree that Faramir was a bit shallow in character....but hey !...at least we got to see a ringwraith.

The ents were good....particularly there orc football......laughed very hard at that.

It was good to see the "change" coming over Frodo....thats going to be interesting.

i think the next film will be equally as good....but one question...where will they end it....cause the book goes on for quite a bit after the ring gets destroyed...will they scour the shire...?????? watching and waiting .....


and remember......."keep it safe...keep it secret"

[YODA]

The "Scouring of the Shire" will NOT be in the next film. I reckon they'll destroy th ring, quick 10min slot of two sets of people getting married and that'll be your lot.

[Greyghost]

so...how will sauraman die....if not by the hand of...sssshhhhhhh...best not give it away for those who can't read


maybe they'll bring out an extended version with the real end on it.?

[YODA]

Common belief in LOTR Anorak circles is that Saruman will be killed off at the end of the "Voice of Saruman" --- No "Sharky's end", no Mallorn in the Party Field, no Grey Havens, no Sam & Rosie at Bag End, no Elleanor, no Finishing of Bilbo's book, no finding Bill at the Prancing Pony - There's enough there for a 4th film!!! :woo:

[Greyghost]

Guess w'll jut have to wait and see.

[YODA]

That was a worst case scenario - some think that they may go as far as Rivendell or even maybe Bree - but Peter Jackson has said many times that they are NOT doing the Scouring. Doh!

[Cooler]

Cant wait for the DVD were yet again they will be adding about 30 mins of extra footage :D

Cooler

[STASH]

Oh man...the Ents were my favourite!

They squashed those orcs like bugs! I wish I was an Ent.

[YODA]

Just got back from a 2nd viewing.

It's good film - a really good film.

However - I think Peter Jackson should be shot in the legs and beaten with spikey sticks. Just who the hell does he think he is? This book is a classic - there is absolutely NO need to change the roles of key characters, add bits that do nothing to enhance the film, or leave bits out that do.

The end titles summed it up....

"Directed by Peter Jackson"
"Based on the book by J.R.R.Tolkien"
- --- yeah, LOOSELY based!

Still a great film and I still want to see it again, but LOTR it isn't :woo:

[stump]

<<<Gollum - the new BJJ Phenom! Hooks & rear naked choke, round 2! If it hadn't have been a pesky 2 on 1 fight he'd have kicked some Baggins Butt>>>>

Really enjoyed that bit Gollums perfect rear naked choke on Sam....the boy done good!!! Though it does clearly show the dangers of grappling when dealing with multiple opponents!!!!

[Jim]

I can't believe that they don't show how Suruman dies (as in the book). That's a major point of the whole series!

They'll probably release it a year after it's all died down as a special DVD boxed set of all 10 discs!

[Darzeka]

I liked the movie - it had lots of cool bits in it ( the ten thoushand orcish people marching out the darkness with torches - very cool).

but I do have a problem with the story in general.

It was written at the beggining of modern fantasy and as such fantasy writing has evolved sine then and I am a huge fan of the more recent authors - gemmel, fiest, jordan, salvatore.

To me the story is chees - lots of stinky cheese.

Don't get me wrong it was a good movie that i enjoyed but I have many gripes about it.

Orcs are basically walking pigs with green skin. Not acid melted humans.

Elves use longbows, not recurve bows. Keeps defend towns, they need towns to survive.

As far as I saw Middle earth consists of three human cities, one elven city, the shire and mordor. With great exspanses between.

Dwarves should be about 4 - 4 1/2 tall, not 3. And dwarves are the best smiths ever - they don't need to borrow chainmail from humans - they wear it all the time.

Those uruk-hai are battle crazed destruction machines - they would not have been routed at all - fight till the last.

Legolas was a cardboard cutout - just there for some key lines - until helms deep where he started slinging jokes with Gimli. They should have had a friendly banter going between them for the whole movie.

Why did the defenders wait until the uruk-hai were that close until they started shooting?? Longbows fire arrows over 300 metres, more from the tops of the walls. They could have decimated the uruk-hai for three or four times the amount of time they did.

Why did the uru-hai not shoot Aragorn and Gimli on the causeway outside the door?

Where was the flaming oil? Forked poles for pushing away the ladders? Gimli should have been hit over the head by an invader then turned and said something funny then killed it.
Gimli's axe handle was too long and the head too small.

Did they not get any fantasy battle consultants in at all?

We should have seen more of the battle of Osigiliath.

Frodo should have killed Sam. (I know he is needed in the story but would have made Frodo's fight for sanity better).

Golem/Shmiegel was the best character in the movie - very well done.

The pikes that were pointed at Gandalfs horses were designed for the purpose of killing horses. I didn't see one go down - I think Gandalf had something to do with it but they should have lost a few. Then they need more magic in battle from gandalf and more skirmish fighting, not a sudden retreat.

The Ents were cool but we got no explaination why Saruman didn't fight them.

I liked the Balor and Gandalfs fight - was quite cool.

Since when did a human ranger become a better tracker than an elf? They should have been working together to find tracks.

The costume designer did quite a bad job with the elves and orcs I thought - although the lances the elves used were awesome.

No siege engines? This was a keep designed for defense - pure and simple yet nothing beyond a wall was prepared to repel an attacker.


Oh and they removed the spider form the end because thye didn't want to be compared to Harry Potter. And I thought the movie finished very strangley you just saw a bit here and there as to what was happening but no explanaiton or elaboration.

But I think the way that the whole world in the story is revolving around the main characters journeys and exploits is bad. the world doesn'r seem real or alive. To see what I mean read the wheel of time by Robert Jordan.

The jedi mind trick of Gandalf was awesome - "You would deny an old man his walking stick?" then starts limping.

On the whole was a good movie but they chose a bad story to make into a movie. Had I wanted one done would either be Raymond Fiest's Riftwar saga / Serpentwar saga or Robert Jordan's Wheel of time - which reminds me the tenth book should be out soon.

[Spike]

"Since when did a human ranger become a better tracker than an elf? They should have been working together to find tracks"

Since they were using Tolkien`s mythos, which a lot of fantasy writers have used and changed. In Tolkien Mythos a Ranger would be a much better tracker than those stuck up glamour junkies

[BlackRaven]

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[DeSeRt RaT UK]

Originally posted by Darzeka

Don't get me wrong it was a good movie that i enjoyed but I have many gripes about it.

Orcs are basically walking pigs with green skin. Not acid melted humans.

Actually they derived from elves.

Those uruk-hai are battle crazed destruction machines - they would not have been routed at all - fight till the last.

So the fact that saruman's army routed in the book bears no meaning?

Why did the uru-hai not shoot Aragorn and Gimli on the causeway outside the door?

It's a bloody fantasy film! You dont question things such as orcs or elves being un-realisitic but question this?

Golem/Shmiegel was the best character in the movie - very well done.

Agreed

The pikes that were pointed at Gandalfs horses were designed for the purpose of killing horses. I didn't see one go down - I think Gandalf had something to do with it but they should have lost a few. Then they need more magic in battle from gandalf and more skirmish fighting, not a sudden retreat.

Well when gandalf does turn up in the book ( with theodred's company not eomers) and theoden rides out, saruman's army does rout. And Gandald doesn't use his proper power until the battle of gondor.

Since when did a human ranger become a better tracker than an elf? They should have been working together to find tracks.

Aragorn was brought up in the company of elfs. Elves don't tend to wonder out of their own domain. Aragorn and the dundain wonder long and far protecting middle earth. Who do you think would be the better tracker?
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[BlackRaven]

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[Adam]

HAHA, That's pretty damn funny BlackRaven.:D
All that's left for LOTR films is to make a deal with MCDonalds about a Frodo in every happy-meal. Then they've bled the last penny from the poor fans.

The films aren't about Tolkiens books though. They should be renamed "How-to-profit-on-a-dead-genius-by-making-B-movies-which-abuse-his-work-yet-are-easy-to-merchandise-and-come-as-a-trilogy-for-future-income" 1,2 & 3.

I was violently disappointed with the films. Nice computer animation though.

[Knight_Errant]

I liked seeing all the stuff from the books. But they've ****ed up the story. Much more so with the second film. The ignorant ****s- shelob is in the second book! Faramir was totally altered and the helm's deep battle was changed A LOT. I hope all you MArtists know WHY you can't run down pikes with cavalry?

[YODA]

.........errrrrr 'cos pikes are sharp?

[Knight_Errant]

yeah. As the greeks knew, you can't run down infantry armed with pikes with your cavalry. They find out how sharp the pikes are. Scotsmen also got this.

[Spike]

I think the rules of warfare are changed slightly when you have the highest mage in the world on your side

[YODA]

Originally posted by Spike
I think the rules of warfare are changed slightly when you have the highest mage in the world on your side


......... or you could shine the sun in their eyes :D


Pssssst.. Knight_errant ...... it's magic :D

[WhiteWizard]

they left out shelob's lair as they felt it would have made the end too confusing as it would have to jump between many action packed story lines i think it will fit in well at the start of the next film as there are only 5 chapters from Frodo's side that are relevant

[Knight_Errant]

yeah, i know it's bloody magic. It still wouldn't work and it's not the way it happens in the book. The trees eat the orcs. For the record, I think the film stands on its own merits.

[YODA]

Originally posted by Knight_errant
yeah, i know it's bloody magic. It still wouldn't work and it's not the way it happens in the book. The trees eat the orcs. For the record, I think the film stands on its own merits.


Yeah - a major opportunity for a great cgi scene was missed - thousands of fleeing Uruks coming across a forest of Huorns that wasn't there the day before - and getting minced :D

[Knight_Errant]

well, maybe it could've been good...

[DeSeRt RaT UK]

rumour has it that the huorns are going to be in the special edition.

[YODA]

Originally posted by DeSeRt RaT UK
rumour has it that the huorns are going to be in the special edition.

Pleeeeeeeese tell me it's true :D

Where did you hear / see this rumour?