Practical application

[Kris H]

Hi,

This is a general question, but how many of you find Ju-Jitsu or BJJ to have been practical in reality?
Also, i haven't been in many fights, but i hear they often end up on the ground, is this the case?

I ask because on the weekend one of my friends when he was returning home late at night from a party was beaten up by three guys, right by the main road! The fact that he was rather under the weather didn't help. It wasn't to bad though, as cars began to come along the road soon after they attacked so they didn't really lay into him. Still got a cracked rib and a bruise spleen (?) though. However they didn't take anything, he still has his phone and his wallet. :confused:

Anyway, one of the guys grabbed him from behind and pulled his arms back, while the others just began to lay into his stomach. I was thinking though, despite my muay thai i don't think i could have done anything either, cept pissed them off with a few kicks before they nailed me :D
I'm just starting Ju Jitsu (1 lesson go me!) and was wondering if there was any techniques you know of to escape this form of hold, barring the reverse headbutt?

Thoughts

[MichaelV]

Fighting three guys isn't exactly easy in the best of circumstances. Furthermore, going to the ground with one guy while the other two are standing there is, at the very least, stupid.

[Archibald]

This is true, but as for your question...there are a number of moves to escape a rear hold, without having to go to the ground. Pressure points, unbalances etc;, and eventually you will learn some throws you could apply.

Hope that helped.

Ciao for now

[Scaramouch]

Here is a example of a technique to escape from a rear hold by BJJ honey, Erin Toughill

http://bjj.org/techniques/erintoughill/t2-1/

She takes the opponent to ground, into mount and arm bar. But a variation would be after the throw/trip (step 4) you could drop in with knee, elbows, fists and turn to defend against any additional attackers. Not that I'd like to try a "road test" mind!

[Sonshu]

And yes she is pretty nice.

However if grabbed as it seems they were the arms would be held behind the person not to the side so it would be harder but still possible. One lesson of JJ is not gonna help you really at all or if it does its by luck.

Grab his nuts and squeese if your arms are behind you works pretty well as an opener. The arm bar with 3 guys is like all ground work - just avoid it unless its 100% one on one but you are never really 100% unless its some drunk guy starts on your and you have 3 of your mates there (hey it does happen trust me) :D

Still one thing you will learn about it awareness and this should make things easier for you not to get grabbed and to I hope spot things easier before the kick off.

Glad your ok though.

[SoKKlab]

Here is a example of a technique to escape from a rear hold by BJJ honey, Erin Toughill

http://bjj.org/techniques/erintoughill/t2-1/

She takes the opponent to ground, into mount and arm bar. But a variation would be after the throw/trip (step 4) you could drop in with knee, elbows, fists and turn to defend against any additional attackers. Not that I'd like to try a "road test" mind!

Hmmm,
That's a hell of alot of faffing about to get out of a situation and then she mounts her attacker!

No no no!, as Sonshu said Max Damage, then elbows, then Run not Roll.

[Scaramouch]

As I said previously................I would only take it as far as the throw/trip - and NOT go to ground - then stomp or drop a knee on the guy and turn and face whatever else was comming my way (or run).

Just put in the link to:

A) show an example of escape from a rear hold
and B) an excuse to imagine being "mounted" by Erin Toughill

[SoKKlab]

As I said previously................I would only take it as far as the throw/trip - and NOT go to ground - then stomp or drop a knee on the guy and turn and face whatever else was comming my way (or run).

Just put in the link to:

A) show an example of escape from a rear hold
and B) an excuse to imagine being "mounted" by Erin Toughill

Lol! You dirty little Monkey!

Sorry Butt, didn't mean to dis you, just the clip, not the act of clippage itself.

And that's enough of being mounted, I'm trying to work here....

[morphus]

Reality bites. There is no martial art that can guarantee you'll beat one opponant, never mind three. Yes there are techniques to get out of almost any hold but you have to be able to use these techniques without thinking & that takes a great, great amount of practice - under pressure...& it still guarantee's nothing, it just gives you a better chance. So go & get as good as you can...have a better chance.

[Chilu]

Ok I know absolutely nothing about groundfighting(starting to learn some, yay), but I don't think a headbutt would be a good idea. I mean if they have fast enough reflexes or they are just in the right position, your head might hit their chin. With a headbutt, I heard you are only supposed to aim for the nose otherwise you are going to hurt yourself just as much as them. I have no clue how to reverse anything yet though :cry:

[Sonshu]

The face is not.

Headbutts on the ground are great as you use your arms to pin the opponents and then smash the unprotected face with you head.

Its all good.