Emergecy - Ninjutsu Vs Wing Chun Vs Other Arts

[myusername]

I wanna get some opinions by some experianced martial artists.... I am looking for something realistic , almost complete and working 200% (not 100 percent heh ;p) for real fights on the streets .... against skilled persons or not ....

I am thinking to join Ninjutsu(Bujinkan) or Wing Chun Delta (BY YIP MAN > Myu Yut <) ..... POLE: what's the best to choose?.... i am looking something 200% effective almost complete if possible...AND REALISTIC as i said before..


Btw , if you know other arts than ninjutsu / wing chun and you are sure that they suit me perfectly by reading that description above , lemme know! - (Except martial sports - don't like them)

[dom]

hey man i understand that you want an art for real self defence for street fighting people say try arnis or kick boxing but every martial art has a flow every art is difrent must are set up due to your size muscle and speed i say if your quik wingchun is very cordinated but it is the art made by a woman to teach you open hand only it also is the study of all arts to use one's art agianst they other to beat one you must beat them in their own game is their philophy. if you like ningitsu is also very fast and use of weapons surondings and presure points. if you r not quick go with brazilian jujitsu for size if you strong try sombition wrestling and kick boxing all arts are difrent due to diffrent people but i say the best art of all is the art of not fighting you no fight you no lose im not saying let som one kill you by any means just fight when necesary why you learn to fight today is so you wont have to tomorrow. i'd e say try looking at youre stature and the nature of the art and school if you dont like them go with traditonal teacher might be more effective . but for a true wide spread of martial arts you might want to keep an open mind and pick more than just one art don't ever strain youre self to just one art so you might be better off withan elective art like jkd or wun hopkundo ok there is my answer but you need to make the decison.

[Solane]

Hi
I can only comment on ninjutsu (Bujinkan). It is a very effective art in that you can adapt it to yourself. I am quite slow in comparison to my younger brother. Both of us are 1st Dan’s. But I have seen some of the senior students in their 60’s take out the younger students with ease and not speed.

My instructors generally have Dan’s in a number of martial arts. My Scottish instructor had practiced karate, jujitsu, Wing Chun & Ninjutsu both Bujinkan & Genbukan.
He doesn’t read this site yet but I have sent him the addresse. He would be able to make a better comparison, but he prefers Ninjutsu but does think Wing Chun has stuff to offer like teaching you to slow down your technique’s and precision etc.
I an sure some of the other instructors on this site will be able to give you a better comparison.

One thing I would say is even if what you chose is the best of the best if you don’t enjoy the system you won’t excel in it as it will be more a chore than a pleasure. If you enjoy what you do you will be more likely to make it work in real life.

Solane

[Cougar_v203]

I would go with ninjutsu

[dom]

in all arts the teacher allways can contor the tempo of any game but one whom aquires the same knowledge would lose toone that is quicker mentaly and phisicaly for every move there is another to stop it get out it is only if you know and every move there are 7 diffrent ways to block or move out off the way some have more some have less i can also go slow with many pepole to defeate them it is amind game your teachis fast when and where he has to be in the mind.

[Freeform]

Wanna get good fast then its WC.

Bujinkan has a greater range of things to teach, you could say its more comprehensive (waits for the backlash) but will take you longer to be effective in a scrap.

IMHO

Colin

[dom]

you say nigitsu is the best some one else says wingchunn and i say thereis known that is the best because how could you ever tell that this art is the best there s tomany arts and to many martialatist out ther you just have to find one that is rigth for you and your body type and personality if you want ot know wichis better wingchun or ningitsu invite 4 first degree black belts in nigitsu and 4 first degree black belts in wingchun and have a tornament how passes first round to represent there art you give them 1 point second roun2points and sonon and at the end when you toal the point up you'll know wich one was the best you can't say a jet kun do is the best because of brucelee or ryu of nigitsu is the best because of frank dux or judo' jujitsu,akido combined is the best do to jigaro kano now they were the best martial artist probaly ever to live if they worth to fight some one the would win with their art but if some one else had to repesent it they might not be nearly as effective in that art that why you need to have a tournament with all styles like the kumite but that was only for the best of the best but know adays theres so many elective arts and there are so many arts that never got to be in kumite so it has becom unrelevant other wise the best art would be ryu nigitsu due to frank dux because no body ever won that tornament as many times as he did then next would have be kung fu wich came from the shaolin tempo. oh yeah what good is it to have all you opponents on the floor bleeding as a defence es no defence the best defece is to have no defence in athoer word not to fight if you fight you ve already lost no mader you win you loss because if you fight you have more of a chance to get hit then when you avoid fighing but if you have to fight of course in all means fight but dont fight for pride fight for life fight for some one elese life or if you see somone beingharmed

[Solane]

My god try putting some full stops and commas in your post. :)

I understood it because I use to write like that years ago as I’m dyslexic, but to many people were passing out (especially if reading out loud) or getting headaches trying to read what I posted.

Also helps if you can put in paragraphs not as daunting to read.

Some good points raised though.

Solane

[pgm316]

Is this the bad grammer thread ;)

I do Wing Chun but not Ninjutsu, so I can't offer any advice unlike some people that study just one! :D

As FF mentioned Ninjutsu is probably a more rounded style. Does that mean its better? And whether either teach enough grappling is another matter and is probably down to the instructors you train with.

Anybody trained in both to a decent level that can offer a good comparison?

[Solane]

Hehe PGM316

That’s why I always write my replies in word before copy and pasting into the post. :)
Doesn’t always pick up bad grammar though.

My instructor taught me 1 or 2 of the standing techniques for meditation from Wing Chun. He also taught a visiting German student some Wing Chun blocks and strikes to help him with his TKD black belt grading.
My instructor firmly believed one of the fastest MA’s was Wing Chun because of the slowness that you practice your techniques; he said it became internalized better. So when you react you will be faster than you thought. From the demonstrations I have seen it isn’t far from the mark. That’s my limited exposure to Wing Chun. :)

That’s why I only tried to give an overview of Ninjutsu from my point of view.
Maybe if you give Myusername an overview of Wing Chun from your point of view Pgm316 it will help him make a decision if he hasn’t already. Also feel free to point out any misconceptions I may have of Wing Chun.

Solane

[pgm316]

I wasn't picking on your post Solane! & I use Word myself usually ;)

I can't really add much to the thread knowing little about ninjutsu. I can only answer specific WC questions.

What is it that your instructor prefers in ninjutsu over WC?

If myusername can find a decent club to train at either style would then fit his needs.

[Solane]

Very true.
As I said earlier if you enjoy what you do you will be more effective than picking something because you thought it was the best.
I think my Scotish instructor likes Ninjutsu because it is a well-rounded style. As for why he stopped Wing Chun I cannot remember. He would be better answering this himself. As I have not trained with him in 19 months since moving back to England. That sounds awfully long when said like that but seems like it was only the other day, funny how the mind works.

Solane


MyUsername you originaly posted on the 4th Nov 02 have you made a choice yet between the 2 or have you gone for something different?

[pgm316]

From what I've heard, WC is the less rounded style. Although WC is very good at what it teaches you. I've trained in other styles ie Judo to get what I felt I was missing.

In that sense, WC is like MT, its a very focused art. Very good at what it does but with weaknesses.

[Freeform]

So is the question, do we want to excell at one area, or be average in many?

Colin

[mild7]

Remember, you can't have your cake and eat it as well.

With that saying in mind, if you want to become a competent fighter I would recommend 2 arts:

1)Muay Thai(MT)
2)Brazilian Jiujitsu(BJJ)

In addition to these, you should do PLENTY of research on the side.(on fight psychology etc). I highly recommend reading books by Geoff Thompson as a starting point.
Muay Thai will give you all the striking you need, and clinch work. BJJ will give you the ground, and answers the question as to what to do if you are forced down there. It also gives you the ultimate answer to finish off a man-to-man fight.(take the fight to the ground and remove his striking tools).

Now here is where the saying above comes into play; FACT IS, not many ppl will be willing or even able to put up with the rigors of the two arts above. To go through MT and BJJ, you will need to put up with full-force sparring. Your ego will be hurt. You will have to take your training more seriously than most. And a whole lot more of other problems.

If you are not willing to put up with that, just go for the WC or ninjutsu. These are pretty fine arts IMO as well. With the lack of fullcontact training here you will never reach your optimal ability.
But then again, do you need to? All you need in the end is to survive.

Think carefully before you invest!

[pgm316]

Originally posted by mild7
Remember, you can't have your cake and eat it as well.

With that saying in mind, if you want to become a competent fighter I would recommend 2 arts:

1)Muay Thai(MT)
2)Brazilian Jiujitsu(BJJ)


To go through MT and BJJ, you will need to put up with full-force sparring. Your ego will be hurt. You will have to take your training more seriously than most. And a whole lot more of other problems.

If you are not willing to put up with that, just go for the WC or ninjutsu. These are pretty fine arts IMO as well. With the lack of fullcontact training here you will never reach your optimal ability.
But then again, do you need to? All you need in the end is to survive.

Think carefully before you invest!

Noticed you just happen to be doing BJJ & MT mild7! :D

Don’t you feel BJJ has the striking techniques you need? Many people would rather find one club that fits all there needs.

I think you’ve made a lot of assumptions about WC and Ninjutsu. How hard you train and whether or not its full contact is not dictated by the style.

Agreed, in general MT clubs will probably have the most full contact. Although where I train fits my needs, we don’t tickle each other while training. We also do a reasonable amount of grappling, but isn’t this the case for many clubs that get stereotyped as striking only or light contact[?]

ps whats the point of having cake if you can't eat it :confused: :D

[mild7]

LOL @ pgm.

Ironically, I don't do Muay Thai now. I do straight up BJJ at the moment. In the past I have trained in ninjutsu(bujinkan) so I know that even the most hardcore school pales in comparison to the rigors of a MT camp.

Also, BJJ striking? LOL, that is as laughable as Judo atemi. See, I am an honest objective man.


One thing I have to say about Ninjutsu(bujinkan). It is good for the passive student. The instructor will basically spoonfeed you general street concepts and applications. Pretty good. But if you're proactive with your training, and do research, attend seminars etc you can be just as adept at application even if you do a ring art like MT.

it's all good at the end of the day. check yourself first, then check out the art.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by mild7

it's all good at the end of the day. check yourself first, then check out the art.

Wise words! :)

[Brad Ellin]

Spoonfed? Hmm... not my instructor. With him, we have to steal his art. Much like with Soke. But, I do agree with your parting words, very true.

[April25]

Hello,
I just came across your posting. If you are still looking for a martial art that works 200% then I can recommend EBMAS. I live in Chicago, IL and I was attacked on the train once. It was awful. I promised myself that this never happens again. So I went to several martial arts schools here.
But there was no school that taught women how to defend men. Most techniques they showed required muscle strength and a certain body height.

Then I visited the local EBMAS school in Chicago. During the introduction I felt that this was what I was looking for. And I joined. The training was hard and really good. And here is what is weired. About 6 months later I went clubbing with another friend of mine. Two guys came up and tried to pull us in a dark alley. My friend was screaming for help, but nobody came. I remembered my training and used some very effective techniques. The next thing I remember was that the one guy was on the ground and did not move and the other guy let go of my girl friend and ran away. We immediately called the Police and they put this one guy in jail.

My friend joined EBMAS Chicago as well and we feel much safer now. I recommend this school to everyone who is seriously interested in self-defense.

Oh and here is their website www.wt-chicago.com

[snake_plisskin]

[QUOTE=April25] We immediately called the Police and they put this one guy in jail. [QUOTE]

Excellent story of using one's skills to defend oneself. So, how did the case continue? As someone who teaches pre-law students on a daily basis, I'm always interested in reading about case history. Exactly what were the charges filed against the person? When were his court dates? As this is a matter of public record, I'd enjoy the chance to send my students to the web site of the Chicago court system to read about the briefs that were filed, etc. I'm also interested in seeing if you could direct me to the police log, or any published accounts of your incident. I would imagine that, unless the field of journalism just changed in the past fifteen minutes, two women out who manage to fully incapacitate one brutal male attacker and drive another off would have made the local newspapers, and, no doubt, television news. :D

Could you provide me with the TV station names so I can request video copies of the segments they ran on your assault? That would be helpful to my students doing their research. I've found that most stations (such as WPVI in Philadelphia) are actually quite willing to send copies of news reports as a matter of public relations, so it would be most helpful if I could "grab" a copy for my class. Besides, it would almost be like "free" advertising for your school--only here on the East Coast! :D

And, lastly, what was the final result of all this? Prison time? A civil suit by your friend and you? Work release? How'd it all end up--specifically. If you could provide me with your attorney's name and law firm address (PM me with these if you'd like) as well as the presiding judge, and the exact titles of the penal code the gentlemen broke, it'd be most helpful to not only me, but my students, who need to "see how it's done".

Thank you! :)

--Snake

[Giandf]

Hi guys. I'm from Naples, in Italy, and i did karate, shaolin KF, brasilian JJ and now i am faceing bujinkan. I suggest to face one reality. Today there are certain tools for fighting. If we are seriously intent to hurt a guy or even defend ourselves to survive we just have to bla bla bla pull the trigger. If u think about it, studing any martial art for about decads to get to be an excellent martial artist is pretty worthless in front of the chance of being killed by a fifteen years old jerk with a gun. Now, if u want to practice any martial art to... kinda grow up, knowing aourselves, get to know the philosophy about it, make it yours, make a relation with the parthner, witch isn't ment to be an enemy, then Aikido would fit it all, would be perfectly fine for anyone. Otherwise i suggest some six-twelve months advanced course for self-defending. I also suggest to learn many MAs different styles if u want to make hollywood movies.

OK, no guns, maybe lawful, maybe little bit of pirate style, not becouse u are forced to fight but becouse u actually live a life with high % chance to get into one, and you like it, you are excited, you are smileing, inside at least, and you want to win; We A r e Richs ! It is not the thousands years ago in China, Today there is Plenty of... objects, tools. anywhere but the Sahara desert, different envoirments that u can Use to get to win the fight, and u need to learn, not how to fight anywhere, but how just let the "anywhere" fight foryou. It's beautifull! Think about it.
A friend of mine told me about a punch that makes a lot of damage becouse of his WC martial artist quickness, i also learned about 130 punches in /ten secs... this seems way particular and limited thinking about a good way to fight if u are not loocking to a Monkey d Rufy gomu no jet cataling. You can always plan to get an armour, and then you need to be stressed from the inside to get hurt, WC punches would be a little bit useless, u can also get some weapons without being stuck by the police, witch ones, an umbrella in the winter season and a skateboard in the summer. Dont u know? i was thinking about a weapon to carry with me without being stuk by the police, and i talked about it in a pub with some friends, then i went to bed, and i dreamed about useing a skateboard like bruce lee's nuncha' and when i woke up i took my skateboard and the tecniques were amazingly makeing themeselves, it's also good like a shield.

If u are going to ninjitsu then dont just execute the techniques, sometimes all the training parthners make the difference, and they may be more important then the teacher, u need to feel the moves, u need to keep focus and u need to feel the risk to get hurt, otherwise would take ages, you know about being good in the streets.

About the brasilian jj and the m tai. First one is makeing u an easy target for anyone else around the battle place, the second one is way vulnerable to any creative weapon user.

[spidersfrommars]

Hi guys. I'm from Naples, in Italy, and i did karate, shaolin KF, brasilian JJ and now i am faceing bujinkan. I suggest to face one reality. Today there are certain tools for fighting. If we are seriously intent to hurt a guy or even defend ourselves to survive we just have to bla bla bla pull the trigger. If u think about it, studing any martial art for about decads to get to be an excellent martial artist is pretty worthless in front of the chance of being killed by a fifteen years old jerk with a gun. Now, if u want to practice any martial art to... kinda grow up, knowing aourselves, get to know the philosophy about it, make it yours, make a relation with the parthner, witch isn't ment to be an enemy, then Aikido would fit it all, would be perfectly fine for anyone. Otherwise i suggest some six-twelve months advanced course for self-defending. I also suggest to learn many MAs different styles if u want to make hollywood movies.

OK, no guns, maybe lawful, maybe little bit of pirate style, not becouse u are forced to fight but becouse u actually live a life with high % chance to get into one, and you like it, you are excited, you are smileing, inside at least, and you want to win; We A r e Richs ! It is not the thousands years ago in China, Today there is Plenty of... objects, tools. anywhere but the Sahara desert, different envoirments that u can Use to get to win the fight, and u need to learn, not how to fight anywhere, but how just let the "anywhere" fight foryou. It's beautifull! Think about it.
A friend of mine told me about a punch that makes a lot of damage becouse of his WC martial artist quickness, i also learned about 130 punches in /ten secs... this seems way particular and limited thinking about a good way to fight if u are not loocking to a Monkey d Rufy gomu no jet cataling. You can always plan to get an armour, and then you need to be stressed from the inside to get hurt, WC punches would be a little bit useless, u can also get some weapons without being stuck by the police, witch ones, an umbrella in the winter season and a skateboard in the summer. Dont u know? i was thinking about a weapon to carry with me without being stuk by the police, and i talked about it in a pub with some friends, then i went to bed, and i dreamed about useing a skateboard like bruce lee's nuncha' and when i woke up i took my skateboard and the tecniques were amazingly makeing themeselves, it's also good like a shield.

If u are going to ninjitsu then dont just execute the techniques, sometimes all the training parthners make the difference, and they may be more important then the teacher, u need to feel the moves, u need to keep focus and u need to feel the risk to get hurt, otherwise would take ages, you know about being good in the streets.

About the brasilian jj and the m tai. First one is makeing u an easy target for anyone else around the battle place, the second one is way vulnerable to any creative weapon user.

Did you just discover the internet today?
Also where can I learn brasilian jj sounds way cooler than this brazilian stuff I'm doing.

[Giandf]

why say that?

[spidersfrommars]

Because you rezed an ancient thread to say a bunch of stuff thats all been said many many times before (with better spelling and grammar on some occasions)
To be helpful here's a good article on the subject you seem to be addressing:
http://www.straightblastgym.com/problem.htm

[Giandf]

i dont care so much. i did like 7 months bujinkan. its nothing. i had today my first wing chun lesson, it was nice. i like both and both are totally different. i have questions. i dont know if/what/how/ start/keep, if it makes any sense to me, i dont know

[stephenk]

Doesn't matter which is better 'objectively' it matters which has a good instructor that you can train with.

Seriously, this general thought needs to be a sticky on every MA forum:

Go to every martial arts school that you would really and reasonably be able to travel to 1-3 times a week for years. Pick the one you like the best. Kick-your-ass-death-blast ryu may be the ultimately d34d1y martial art, but if the nearest instructor is on Mars, it's not much use to you.

[Giandf]

i dont think the instructor makes the difference. But would u ever study Any martial arts if you know for sure 100% that u will never need to fight anyone?

[Tout Prêt 1888]

I wanna get some opinions by some experianced martial artists.... I am looking for something realistic , almost complete and working 200% (not 100 percent heh ;p) for real fights on the streets .... against skilled persons or not ....

I am thinking to join Ninjutsu(Bujinkan) or Wing Chun Delta (BY YIP MAN > Myu Yut <) ..... POLE: what's the best to choose?.... i am looking something 200% effective almost complete if possible...AND REALISTIC as i said before..


Btw , if you know other arts than ninjutsu / wing chun and you are sure that they suit me perfectly by reading that description above , lemme know! - (Except martial sports - don't like them)

you want to learn REALISTIC self defence by training to be a ninja

[Giandf]

ninjitsu is not a sport. why one oldest martial art shouldnt be realistic, meaning effective in real fight? in any situation, in any envoriment.
i can tell u that most of the ppl practiceing ninjitsu in my course are not so much capable of selfdefending. My instructor is i guess. the simple guy i met this evening seem to be very capable of self defending.

[spidersfrommars]

i dont think the instructor makes the difference. But would u ever study Any martial arts if you know for sure 100% that u will never need to fight anyone?

Wrong and yes I love MA but I have no intention of ever using it outside of class or friendly sparring. I suppose it could happen but it would require a rather odd set of circumstances that I do my best to avoid. Really its something that one should peruse for its own sake not to become a deadly street fighting ninja leave that to Ken and Ryu.

[Hatamoto]

It's all irrelevant if it's not trained in the right way. Read up over other threads on how to train effectively and look for a teacher that will make sure you train properly, or whatever techniques you learn, however well they work in class, won't count for snot when you get jumped.

Congrats on the thread necro btw, five years has to be some kind of record.

[Giandf]

i think, that speaking good with someone who argue with u and useing an art martial to control him without hurting him, without damage him would help a lot your words to be effective. U can create with martial arts without damageing if u help urself with talking with the heart. Avoiding is not the solution, it s just like no comunication, ignorance. i dont like it. u can love with punchs. and u cant love with blades.

[Giandf]

Congrats on the thread necro btw, five years has to be some kind of record.

i just searched for wing chun bujinkan.

im interested in what u sayd, and i want to ask, do u think that chinise way to teach could be better then jappanise? they want kata, i mean... do they really teach u how to be effective in real? i think, could be better training with protection to feel the attacks, and teach the reflexes i dont know i want answers.

[spidersfrommars]

i think, that speaking good with someone who argue with u and useing an art martial to control him without hurting him, without damage him would help a lot your words to be effective.

You might want to work on the whole words bit first, it seems to be a stumbling point for you.

u can love with punchs.

BDSM FTW?

[Giandf]

what is BDSM FTW?

[spidersfrommars]

:D You'll find out when you're older.

[Giandf]

:D You'll find out when you're older.

im 29 from some days. im from italy i dont like BVS MNDG and all those ckin ways to say words or entire sentences with 2 letters.

i still have questions. i think, in any martial art you need to learn how to move, sprint, in any direction, and wing chun seems to be down in this. i like being able to move my body 2 meters away in any direction fast and quick,

ninjitsu has the KAMAE. wing chun has the Quickness.
pls help me to COMPARE

INTEGRATE

[ap Oweyn]

i dont think the instructor makes the difference. But would u ever study Any martial arts if you know for sure 100% that u will never need to fight anyone?

I'm guessing that this is a language issue. Because I can't really imagine anyone suggesting that the instructor doesn't make a difference. Even at the most basic level, some instructors are better than others. Then there's differences in priorities, experience levels (both within their style and in real life), etc.

Of course instructors make a difference. So I'm thinking I've misunderstood something here.

[roninmaster]

you want to learn REALISTIC self defence by training to be a ninja

my point exactly.
and Glandf what everyone is talking about is that when you bring back a topic that hasnt been posted on in years it revives arguments thay may have been resolved, and is just quite irritating to other more veteran users. i meen im going on to my second year of college. when this post was originally made i was in the 6th grade, fantasizing about the 12 year old next to me. ( good times, life was so simple:))

what everyone is talking about with your grammer is that its difficult to read. what might help is to right what you wanna say in Microsoft word, then have the program make the corrections for you.

also what will help you on in your life in MAP is to remember an old zen proverb: simplified: if a man wants to see oceans, he must first leeve his own puddle.

as for the ennetial subject. Im sure the enflux of more grapplng combat combined with the modern MMA as well tons of videos and articles on the internet about what actually works in a reall combat situation having become known and prevalent in the years since the post. Is more then enough to show you what is actually effective in combat. go watch any millitary personal train and you see what they do. im not trying to start another TMA vs MMA debate, so i will leeve it at that.

beuty in martial arts is wonderful, and combat should be avoided at as much as possible. However, the key word is martial art. Not performance art. So for the man that actually wants to be able to defend themselves. training with as much resistance, realism, and over all simplicity should be what matters most. you cant ride a bike without actually riding it, you cant do math without actually doing math problems, and you cant learn to fight without actually fighting in your training.

I hope this is helpful.

[Giandf]

do you think it is possible for me learning bujinkan and wing chun at the same time? i like things in both arts

[Dean Winchester]

do you think it is possible for me learning bujinkan and wing chun at the same time? i like things in both arts



Right I'll have a bash at this.

Training any two arts side by side can at times be a challenge now if those are complimentary in the way Judo and Boxing are then you're going to have any easier time of it than trying to do two styles of karate for example.

What you are talking about is a bit different. Now first off can we knock on the head the idea of Ninjitsu or rather Ninjutsu. If you are going to be training or are training in the Bujinkan what you will be learning is Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu yes I know that the word Ninjutsu has, incorrectly imo, crept into semi common usage for this art but thinking of what you are doing as Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu from the start will help you, IMO.

Now a BIG influence on what you will be studying especially at the initial levels will be one of the ryu-ha which the Bujinkan draws its waza from, Gyokko-ryu.

Now Gyokko-ryu has its roots in China, if the stories are true, and it has a very “Chinese feel” at times, lots of circular and spiral movement and power generation, foot work. Now if you are doing something like Wing Chun alongside this then I think you might find yourself getting confused between the movements and body mechanics. Someone who has a grounding in one or the other before starting the second one will probably be able to separate them and may even find it beneficial, by grounding I mean some solid years in one art so that it’s part of them, but a beginer is going to have difficulties, IMO.


So in short then yes it is possible but I think you will have a number of difficulties along the way especially in the first few years, the Bujinkan itself is vast as far as material goes they have a lot of stuff to draw on and get your head around without trying to learn another completely separate system alongside it.

[Giandf]

So in short then yes it is possible but I think you will have a number of difficulties along the way especially in the first few years, the Bujinkan itself is vast as far as material goes they have a lot of stuff to draw on and get your head around without trying to learn another completely separate system alongside it.

I think u're right and i agree with all u sayd about the bujinkan and the chinise feeling,, i did know that.

i've been doing ninjitsu for like 9 months, and i am confused.

The instructor gives us the chance to make many questions and let us see how reacting in many fighting cases, but i keep seem to be stuck.

One uses the gravity to get to move away from a punch. One moves away, not behind, not rightly, but just in the middle way in order to avoid the punch and keep the 'ckin kamae, but somethin in my had is boom booming becouse i ask "is that possible? is it possible that i'm capable to keep the kamae if someone moves against me so fast? Would anybody punch me like that? i mean, with the body you know, cant explane, like superman when is going to fly, plus will i be really capable to punch sidely the elbow of the punching attack to make him stress the arm and he cant punch me anymore with that arm from at least 5 seconds... you know... it seems pretty far away from the reality.

[stephenk]

... but somethin in my had is boom booming becouse i ask "is that possible? is it possible that i'm capable to keep the kamae if someone moves against me so fast? Would anybody punch me like that? i mean, with the body you know, cant explane, like superman when is going to fly, plus will i be really capable to punch sidely the elbow of the punching attack to make him stress the arm and he cant punch me anymore with that arm from at least 5 seconds... you know... it seems pretty far away from the reality.

So....That thing I was talking about....the one about the teacher...um..yeah...

Good Luck!

[Metal_Kitty]

What about Krav Maga? I've never done it, but it seems pretty handy for street self defense. And it uses various techniques from other martial arts....so it seems like a bit of an all-rounder.

Anyway, I guess you never know til you try it out. It doesn't hurt to go to a few classes and see for yourself. Then you can just stick with the one that appeals to you the most.

[Giandf]

we can barely decide witch one is good for ourself, but its the training aproaching and the feeling about the school u join, the trainer, the other guys training with you that make the difference. I choose Wing chun becouse i wont kill anyone with ninjitsu or something, i want to begin a comunication with anyone who start a fight with me, and ninjitsu is not the way that someone take to make the fight become something good for anyone. Love in punchs make the difference, not breaking legs or hitting preshure points. i dont want to learn traditional ways anymore. i have to face and join the relation in fighting, not just feel slowly and insanely all the tecniques created witch will work in any "traditional" attack. i speack the sht. oke. bye

[Knight_Errant]

You're right, it is an emergency... for the english language.

[Liquid Steel]

Well anyway....

Of the two arts I would say Ninjutsu is better as a standalone art. It is more comprehensive both in terms of armed and unarmed. I say this having studied Ninjutsu and Jeet Kune Do. However it really does depend more upon where you're studying, I'd be the first to admit that some Ninjutsu dojos are full of people with terrible conditioning and dubious combat ability... oh wait, same goes for wing chun! ;)

My advice is go for the Ninjutsu but do your research and if it means travelling to get the best in your area, do it. Good luck mate.

(I just realised how old this thread is.... FAIL)