Hicho No Kamae

[Conquistador]

Hicho No Kamae is one of the coolist Kamae of all time.At a Bujinkan school when do they start showing this Kamae?Thanks.

[JimGould]

First class

[Togakure]

You should start learning all 8 kamae's in your first few lessons.

[Conquistador]

Have youever studied Aiki Jutsu?

[sshh]

Conquistador: "At a Bujinkan school when do they start showing this Kamae?"

At which school do you train? Are you looking for differences between bujinkan and your style?

A more accurate answer is that it depends on what dojo you train at, and who your instructor is. It is one of the first that one learns, but it might not be until after you have been shown other kamae and the sanshin. It is first encountered in kata form in the kihon happo - which every bujinkan dojo covers (or should) often.

"Now I know how to do it 4 differant ways and will bust your a**!"

I am very proud of you. :)

Oh, and I hope you can appreciate the kamae beyond them just being "cool."


Togakure: "You should start learning all 8 kamae's in your first few lessons."

All 8?! There are many more than eight. There are 7-10 basic ones that will likely be shown early on in training, but there are dozens of kamae - especially if you count kamae particular to certain weapons.

Here is a short list of some of the basics:
shizen
seiza
fudoza
hira
shoshin
ichimonji
jumonji
hicho
doko
hoko
seigan
hanza

[Conquistador]

Ya know I did Ninpo for 6 months before I was told it was Ninja stuff.When I asked it was told to me it was traditional Japanese martial arts.

[Conquistador]

Oh I am not trying to compare schools, Shikin Haramitsu Daikomyo means.There is much to be learned from everything.I am just trying to respect my elders first of all.Senor students that is,

[Conquistador]

I never went to find a ninja school, ninja school found me

[Togakure]

Togakure: "You should start learning all 8 kamae's in your first few lessons."
All 8?! There are many more than eight.


Aye I know there are more than 8, but there are 8 basic stances.

Acording to my teacher, and Dr Hatsumi himself, they are the first 8 stances you should learn at first.

[JimGould]

Maybe you are confusing that with the Kihon Happo , eights basic techniques.

[Brad Ellin]

Might be a bit of confusion there.... By my count Kihon and Sanshin give us 13 to start (but then again I haven't had my first cup o' joe this morning).

[togakure_ninpo]

Seiza No Kamae
Shizen No Kamae
Gassho No Kamae
Ichimonji No Kamae
Hira No Kamae
Jumonji No Kamae
Kosei No Kamae
Hicho No Kamae
Hoko No Kamae
Doko No Kamae
Ihen No Kamae
Fudoza No Kamae


there are 13 you say? I'm only counting 12 that are taught in beginning level. which one am I leaving out?

[JimGould]

No there is still confusion here if I am thinking correctly. The original post was about 'stances' Kihon Happon and San Shin and techniques. Yes they let us use stances BUT some of them are the same and they do not include all of the stances thats for sure. As for the number of stances, I have never counted... I wonder who really has ? so maybe a good time lol. The list above is certainly missing a lot such as Shoshin, Fuesets and Bobi. Too early for me too.

[Keikai]

There are only 9 kamae in the basic Bujinkan,

Gassho is a greeting, Ihen is an adaptation of ichimonji, seigan is the koto ryu ichimonji and shoshin is from gyokko ryu, bobi is from koto ryu and there are loads of others but only nine basics.

[sshh]

"There are only 9 kamae in the basic Bujinkan"

- it depends on which one's you consider basic then.

It's a fun intellectual exercise to categorize things and put them on numbered lists, and with the right semantics, you can define things any way you wish.

Learn all of them as soon as you can, some will be easier to get used to than others. Don't bother counting because there are actually 10000 kamae, but then, actually there is only one.

Gah!, that sounded like a really bad fortune cookie, but you get my drift.

[Togakure]

Since they are all meant to flow into one another, I suppose they could be described as one, yes :)

[sshh]

Just wanted to throw this out there:

Since most of these basic kamae were are discussing are from gyokko ryu (sanshin and kihon happo kamae, etc.), I just wanted to ask how others view the similarity between the primary gyokko kamae, i.e. ichimonji, jumonji; hicho. They are all very similar except for minor differences in arm or leg position, or in effective distance.

Here's a fun exercise: Do all three kihon koshi sanpo kata, in random order, for an indefininite number of combinations, and with your eyes closed (don't watch, feel). Be aware of your kamae throughout.