Shorin-Ryu Kata

[Alexander]

Morning all,
I've been doing martial art for quite a while now and have just started to dabble into Shorin-Ryu Karate. I've been storming through google for hours now but cannot find a decent site which describes all of the Kata used in this style. Does anyone know of a great site for this?
Cheers,
Alexander.

[Andrew Green]

Morning all,
I've been doing martial art for quite a while now and have just started to dabble into Shorin-Ryu Karate. I've been storming through google for hours now but cannot find a decent site which describes all of the Kata used in this style. Does anyone know of a great site for this?
Cheers,
Alexander.


There are a few different branches called "Shorin-ryu", any idea which one you do?

Also, ask your instructor ;)

[StorDuff]

The offshoot I do has the basic learner kata, fukyugata ichi, fukyugata ni, pinon shodan, pinon nidan, pinon sandan, pinon yondan, pinon godan (i think). after that the advanced ones begin, but i don't know them (yet) :o

[aml01_ph]

The offshoot I do has the basic learner kata, fukyugata ichi, fukyugata ni, pinon shodan, pinon nidan, pinon sandan, pinon yondan, pinon godan (i think). after that the advanced ones begin, but i don't know them (yet) :o

Hmmm. Are you at the level where you should be taught? Anyway, websites for detailed shorin ryu kata do not exist to my knowledge. However, there are versions of shorin ryu kata doen in other styles of karate. Take for example the pinan (the pinon you mentioned) series is the heian series in shotokan. Another example is the Tekki series (Naihanchin in shorin ryu). Good descriptions of shotokan kata can be found at www.24fightingchickens.com at the kata section.

Sorry for the lousy help. :o

[Alexander]

Thanks, I'll check a book i've got on Shotokan for the Heian Kata.
I would ask my instructor but I don't speak the same language as him so although I can get by in lessons, conversation tends to be a bit strained....

[Furikuchan]

Okinawan or American Shorin-ryu?
However, there are very few strict Shorin-ryu kata in either style. After a while, we start stealing from the Shotokan and Goju-ryu.
I can give you an extensive list of all that kata, if you want it. I can't find any online source for the movements of katas, though, only links to manuals.

[Alexander]

Sorry, Should have said:
Okinawan Shorin-Ryu.

[okinawagojuryu]

There are several branches of Shorin Ryu , there's Sukuinhayashi , Matsubayashi , Shobayashi , Kobayashi , matsumura seito among others . From the way you are describing the list of kata , it sounds like you are in a break off of Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu , here you can find them in mpeg form :
http://www.shorinryu.dk/html/kata.htm .

[guran]

This site has a list of kata, kobudo, etc. for Kobayashi Shorin-ryu Shorinkan as taught by Nakazato: http://www.shoryukan.com/

[Relosa]

http://www.northerncrane.net/
When you go to the site clikc on the Karate section and it goes over my whole curriculum, but just keep an eye out for the kata


Peace out side.
Will-San

[MatsuRyu]

I practice the matsubayashi version of shorin ryu, and from the katas you listed so far they're exactly the same as my style, and go in this order:
fukyugata I
fukyugata II
pinan shodan
pinan nidan
pinan sandan
pinan yondan
pinan godan
naihanchi shodan
naihanchi nidan
naihanchi sandan
Ananku
Wankan
Rohai
Wanshu
Passai
Gojushiho
Chinto
Kusanku

If you want detailed information and a move-by-move breakdown of each one, you can purchase The Essence of Okinawan Karate-Do by Shoshin Nagamine. Its a great style. Hope this was helpful. Have fun.

[BigBadBob]

I would agree with MatsuRyu. I practise a hybrid Matsumura / Matsubayashi and have an almost identical kata list (Ananku replaced by Seisan).

The Nagamine book is an excellent resource for kata, especially if coupled with Traditional Shorin Ryu Karate Kata by Eihachi Ota (a Nagamine student); a DVD available on eBay. (Nothing can take the place of an instructor though IMHO)

Also can I just object to the statement

'However, there are very few strict Shorin-ryu kata in either style. After a while, we start stealing from the Shotokan and Goju-ryu.'

Okinawan Shorin Ryu is a far older style than Shotokan, and of a largely different derivation from Goju Ryu.

Shorin Ryu evolves from Shuri-Te, an older martial art developed in the ancient Okinawan capital of Shuri, and dates back to the Eighteenth century.

Goju Ryu evolves from Naha-Te, from the city of Naha in Okinawa.

The two syles are quite different if the have any kata in common that would only really include the modern twentieth century kata.

Shotokan was founded in the twentieth century by Funakoshi Sensei, who combined elements of Shorin and Goju and later introduced his syle into mainland Japan.

Rant over, apologies for any offence, but I am proud to practise a style that can be traced back so far.

Bob

[okinawagojuryu]

Bob ,

There is absolutely no Goju found within Shotokan . They practice totaly different Kata than us , & their kihon waza is totaly different as well . We are more cicular , & contain both hard & soft movements . While Shotokan is linear , & primarily Hard .

[holyheadjch]

Funakoshi took elements from Shurite and Nawate, not Goju

[BigBadBob]

My mistake. I meant to say that Funakoshi combined elements of Shuri-Te and Naha-Te (from which Chojun Miyagi derived Goju Ryu).

How much Naha-Te remains in Shotokan I cannot say as I have studied neither Shotokan or Goju.
Anyone else care to comment?

[okinawagojuryu]

Bob ,

Funakoshi used the word Shorei Ryu , if I remember correctly , as the Kata which were "heavier" , I guess .
Naha te has evolved into both Goju Ryu , & Uechi Ryu . There are no Kata in Shotokan , that are shared w/ either Uechi Ryu , or Goju Ryu .

[BigBadBob]

Hi again okinawagojuryu.

In most things I have read, Shorei ryu and naha te are used interchangeably. Mainly Shorei ryu seems to be used after Tomari Te disappeared / merged; leaving two Okinawan styles Shorin Ryu and Shorei Ryu in place of the original three styles of Te.

So no kata from Shorei in Shotokan, just shorin (from both shuri and tomari te origins).

I was wondering whether any of the shorei ryu remained in the kihon.

Modern Shotokan visually has little in common with Shorin Ryu. The stances are different (mainly lower and longer) and also the techniques.

I have read that this is because Funakoshi adapted the style to account for differences between Okinawan and Japanese physique when he moved to the mainland. Other changes came about when karate was adapted into the physical education of Japanese school children.

Does any of the Shotokan Kihon have anything in common with Goju or Uechi? I don't know. I would defer on this matter to the Shorei / Naha derived guys.

Discuss?

Cheers,

Bob

p.s. Here's a link (http://www.izs.org/newsite/publication/karate_and_one.htm) to a nice piece about how we are all brothers even if we take different roads