Scenarios....

[Melanie]

Ok, lets start with a basic scenario. After so many answers to this, the scenario will be altered a bit and further responses looked for. Please remember although the scenario is not real, I would like to hear about how YOU would react in that given situation, with all your experience, or lack thereof :D

You are in a pub on a Saturday night with a couple of male friends. Its early so your not wasted (as yet). A lone drunk walks into the pub and saunters over to the bar. He eventually gets served and starts to spill his and others drinks over them, looking for trouble. Eventually this drunk picks on a lone male drinker, half the size of him. He spills his drink and punchs this bloke HARD for doing it to him. The assailant has got him on the floor about to kick him and you are the only person close enough to step in....What do you do?

1. Step in with your friends and get the bloke out?
2. Stand back so the drunk can get a better swing?
3. Call the police and hope they get there before he kills him?
4. Etc.

[Chazz]

Well since you wanted me to, I thougth ide give my thoughts on this.

I think i would have to get my friends up and over to the guy and try to get him under control and then ask the victom what he wanted to do about it.

Good idea about the Scenarios

-Chazz

[Andy Murray]

Leap out of my chair with a high pitched scream, kicking out the Light Bulb with my wooden leg, pause briefly for applause before dissembowelling him with my index finger!

If within range to stop the kick immediately ( potentially fatal ) I would try. Then, as the attacker is alone I would probably look for a lock or a pin to immobilise him until help arrived. Help not just for me, but help for the victim who is still in danger. Then deal with whatever happened next.

Scenarios are great Melanie, keep em coming!

[waya]

Depending on the range, I would take his support leg at the knee with a low kick, follow with a strike to the ear, and if he was still able to move I would apply a wrist and elbow lock and seperate the joints in the arm.

[Melanie]

Thanks fellas!

OK - a little change, the same scenario but as your all go to approach this gentleman he pulls a knife and threatens YOU not the victim with it. It's 4 inch long blade is serrated and he is still very drunk and pumped up.

What now?

1. Would you get everyone out of the pub, and give the man some room?
2. Break a chair, table, glass to have a weapon of your own?
3. Try to placate him and talk him out of doing it?
4. Etc?

Melanie

[Andy Murray]

Maintain distance, try not to appear threatening, try to talk him down. If he became distracted, or I could distract him, I would take him out, but only of I was 400% sure of success. Very important that the knofe holder has a way out of the situation. Either by backing down, or leaving.

Alternatively, pull out a shiny pair of Butterfly Knives, grin wickedly and say ' That's not a knife'

[Chazz]

Umm ok. First i would see if i could get to the person still on the ground and see if i could pull him out of danger. To the other guy, well theres a few this you could do i guess. Destraction seem to work the best sometime. Throwing a drink in his eyes, could cause enough of a destraction to over take him. I guess we all could say what we would do but that just might be a "heat of the moment" action *L*

-Chazz

[waya]

I usually carry my cane everywhere with me, in which case I would strike his wrist with enough force to break it. then follow up with a strike to the head or solar plexus to incapacitiate. failing having the cane I would attempt to find something to strike with while maintaining distance. if he rushed I would move my body to avoid the rush and trap the arm, using a pressure point to manipulate and break it.

[Melanie]

Ok - you have beaten him into submission - he's down and controlled.

Lets change the scenario once more!

The last scenario you were threatened with the knife, what if the victim on the floor was threatened instead. The assailant is kneeling down next to him with the knife next to the mans face. He threatens to cut him if anyone tries to stop him from getting up and taking this bloke outside and give him a good hiding (remember he is drunk!).

Do you let him get up and attack whilst he's moving?

The same again but make sure everyone in the pub is out of the way?

Attack as he gets up?

Or call the proper authorities?

What?

Melanie

[Andy Murray]

The scenario is tough here Melanie. No-one would do anything which is likely to get another person disfigured or even worse. On one hand you can let the guy go outside, hoping random factors provide an opportunity to help. I would like to think I would be able to get him to pick on me, as I'm a bit of a short-arse.

You mention calling the authorities as an option. I don't know about East Sussex, but up my way, the Authorities tend to wait round the corner to give out a parking ticket to the ambulance when it arrives

[Chazz]

I really dont know what i would do. i guess i would try to get outside before he would have try to take him be surprise. Its really hard to say.

Chazz

[waya]

Alot of factors involved here.... but I would not let him outside. Not with anyone with him. I would attempt to catch him vulnerable, either while rising or as soon as he faced away from me.

[Melanie]

Ok - I pretty much have to agree with you here Waya.

Ok - one last change and then maybe another scenario...

Right from the beginning again. Imagine this time though that the person waiting at the bar is female though. This drunk bloke spills his drink on her and starts to wipe her down suggestively. She's alone and more than a little bit frightened so doesn't stop him. She basically ignores him whilst he's doing it, hoping her boyfriend arrives soon. The drunk doesn't get the desired reaction and slaps her to the floor. He doesn't care that there are people around and he starts to go to pick her up off the floor...

What now fellas?

Melanie

[Andy Murray]

Tilt my Lance and charge. Lady in Distress. Have at you varlot!

You must go to some strange bars Melanie.

Incapacitate him immediately. what i would do would depend on where he was in relation to me, but a hard kick with the ball of the foot to the coccyx would be in order. To the layman this would look like a kick to the backside, but he wouldn't want to know anymore. I also think the chap should be held long enough that the lady in question gets the opportunity to retaliate. he certainly would be made to apologise while the authorities were sent for.

Then ride off into the Sunset on my white stallion. As the maiden watches with a tear in her eye.........ah.....The end!

[Freeform]

If he was bending down to pick her up I'd grab him with a choke or head chancery and ask the young lady if she wanted to press charges, if so hold him until the authorities arrive (c'mon Andy Kilmarnock isn't that bad, oh wait, yes it is). If she didn't want to press charges and didn't want to retaliate herself I'd escort him to the door and tell him to go. If he didn't well that would just be stupid of him:woo:

Scenarios are a good idea. BRING 'EM ON :)

[Melanie]

Thank you Freeform!

Thanks for your input. Come on everyone! This is a chance for everyone with little or no experience to put in a word or two about how you would react...

I have already got a few more ideas on what scenarios to do next and further follow-ups on this one. So far this is just a warm up!

A couple more perhaps and then I change the scenario a bit and start a new one completely!

Melanie

[Andy Murray]

Malevolent Melanie......maelstrom maker! or mmmm for short!

[waya]

Strike to the back of the neck or behind the ear, then apply a joint lock to the arm and seperate the wrist (not a good feeling). Then to agree with freeform, let her have her retaliation and hold him for the authorities or bounce him down the road.

Rob

[Chazz]

Well first i would have stopped him while he was wiping her down. Most people can see what he was trying to do before he did it. then if he keeps coming back, a cood side kick to the belly of a drunk is always a good thing.

But back to the topic. If he went to bend do down to her. A good Ax kick to his neck or back could stop things. then ide send andy and waya to hold him down while i help the lady to her feet. :-)
*LOL*

Chazz

[waya]

Always the gentleman eh Chazz? lol

[Chazz]

Always brother. If just my ways *LOL* HAHAHA

[Cooler]

And when you guys were doing all that I would be drinking your beers.

Cooler.

[Freeform]

There's a thing, if we kicked the guys ass, would we be kicked out by the landlord?

[waya]

If so it would be a sad business owner indeed, and I would not wish to frequent the establishment again anyway.

BTW Cooler then we would have to escort you next :-) LOL

[Cooler]

LOL.

[Chazz]

Im sure the landlord would mind us taking out his "trash" for him. Ya never know, we might end up as bouncers for him. *LOL*

[Melanie]

You really can't wait for the chat room can you fellas!

A new scenario now for you lot!

Picture the scene:

You are sitting a waiting room of a large medical practice, it’s an extremely hot day and you are glad of the air conditioning that you seated yourself under. To the front of you is a reception desk; behind is a large window. To your left is a display and several doors, one leading to the doctor’s area and the other is a fire escape. To to your right is a set of automatic doors, that some kid is tripping the door sensor to open and close which is of great annoyance to an elderly couple sitting beside him. You are sitting at the back of five rows of eight chairs so you have a good view of anyone entering and leaving the practice. The room is barely full.


You suddenly hear raised voices and a scream come from behind the door leading to the doctor’s treatment area, the doors burst open! A man and young boy appears! The Guy must be at least in his early twenties and the young boy is about 9 years old. The Man is being pulled by his left arm by a security guy… The little boy lunges forward and stabs the Security man in the face with what looks like a scalpel!.

The Security man lets go of the Guy and falls screaming onto his stomach. At this point a nurse runs forward to aid the security man, but is also cut with the blade! Both attackers appear to be insanely angry and glance at the door! At which a lady has just walked through pushing a pushchair. You get up and approach the woman and tell her to go back out, as you turn around the Kid is standing in front of you and lunges forward. What do you do!?

*Note that the receptionist hit the panic button so the police are on their way.

What next people?

Melanie

PS Cooler/Ghostsuit whens the chat room ready! - I can't catch up on these posts! ;) (Joke!)

[waya]

This is a harsh question..... It is a little kid but he is also holding a weapon that could be fatal if a mistake is made......... Given his size I would avoid the onrush and move to his side, throwing a kick to the ribs/armpit under the knife arm..... hopefully causing him to lose the knife. Change my attack to the adult and take his legs from under him, throw a moderate kick to his body to keep him down, check to make sure everyone is removed from danger and leave the room myself, assuming the police have arrived that "should" end the confrontation.

[Chazz]

Well lets see. What do we have to work with? humm Just a pushchair. Might use taht later!! Since is a kid, im thinking not much martial arts training if any, so as he leans to me, move slightly to the side and use a outward palm block with the right hand and use the left to push him on past and out side the building and onto the ground. The adult seeing thing would most likely come after me. as i am pushing the kid past me, grab the chair and push into the adult who is responding hopefull knocking him down. as he is on the ground, locking the autodoor (they all have thing to push to lock them) keeping the "blade out of the building. (Let the police take care of him) Then using the force needed to keep the other on the ground.

[Freeform]

Hmm, tricky. Chazz's answer is much better than mine :(


Ok, sidestep the initial attack parrying the weapon if needed (and I know I'm just about to open a can of worms here) and a good solid strike to the head or head/leg sweep takedown (hey, kids old enough to be using a weapon, kids old enough for consequences, I prefer to run from a blade but if I can't...). The man would probably take offense to this so I'd be real grateful if he'd run into a right cross or parry for the immobilisation. Secure them both and then wait for the police to turn up and charge me with excessive use of force :cry:

[Melanie]

Nice response fellas. Kat where are you? What would you do?

After much serious thought I would probably do much the same as Waya if I had the pressence of mind of course! However, whatever we do I expect we would suffer some repercussions...

A new thread I think! :D

New scenario to follow shortly but please contribute further on this where possible...

Melanie

P.S. Does anyone want to rate this thread at all?

[Chazz]

Ill rate this thread

On a scale from 1 - 10, 10 being the best, about a 12 1/2 *LOL*

i think it just about the best thread on here as of yet

-Chazz

[Melanie]

Wayas post was lost :( - It was complimentary too...

Melanie

[waya]

haha that's why it was lost.... guess it didn't like me being nice :D LOL

[Silver_no2]

Avoid the thrust by the little b*st*rd and then take him out using one of several techniques depending on what was most obvious and also what caused most pain!!!!

I have no qualms about hitting a child who has already cut someone up. Once the little git had fallen down in extreme pain I would deal with the adult if necessary.

Having done this I would then go and check on the people that were in the room where they burst out from as there is probably somebody injured in there.

When interviewed by the police I would use the get out of jail free phrase, "I felt in fear for my own safety officer", whereby I would then sit back down and await my doctors appointment!!

[Melanie]

Hahahaha - nice response Silver!


Welcome to the forum. Look forward to getting more posts from you in due course...;)

Melanie

[Melanie]

Ok - This thread isn't doing so well at the moment. All these new members and not as many responses as we could have...

New Scenario:

Car-jacking is almost considered normal these days, what with road rage an' all. How about your driving back from work at the end of the day, it's a hot day and the roads have been a pain, chock-a-block with traffic and your now about 10 mins away from home and starting to relax. You pull up at a set of temporary traffic lights and wait, and wait. Another car pulls up behind you and waits with you. The lights are up due to the fact that there is road works going around a corner and you know that there is a long way before you can get to your side of the road. The road will still be relatively busy because of the time of day. So there you both are still waiting! Then the car driver behind starts to beep his horn, wants you to continue on, the traffic lights are broken. You stay. He beeps several times again. You stay. He gets out of his car and approaches your car. He is of medium build and about 30, he's not very happy with you. He knocks on your window and says "what's going on, get a move on!". The situation escalates from there. He starts kicking the car and threatens to smash the window and get you to move the car, or get back into his car and ram you out of the way. You can't turn around and get away - he's behind you, you can't go forward, what do you do?

Get out of the car before he totals it and bop him one?

Ram his car and hope your car doesn't get damaged too much and get away?

What?

Melanie

[Andy Murray]

Sound the horn and hold it down. Bullies don't like to get caught!
Move the car into the path of oncoming traffic and stop. They won't/can't pass you by, and he can't now drive on and escape justice. You said the roads were still busy, so the odds favour at least a witness coming along. Safest to sit in your car with the doors locked. If you have a mobile phone, you should already have it out to call police.

Try to remain calm and think thru your options logically!

[Freeform]

It would be very tempting especially on a hot day to just get out of the car and maim the git, but not very smart. Keep your doors locked, don't open the windows, tell the idiot to go around you. If he becomes more aggressive do what Andy said, if you have a mobile, phone the police, if he becomes VERY aggresive blow the horn, if he starts to batter your car and you think its clear drive on ahead.

Or alteratively slip into reverse get some revs going and crack his radiator open, sommersault out of the sunroof and take him out with a flying kick, then practice your breaking techniques on his wing panels and puncture his tires with your butterfly knifes.

That'll teach him!

[ninjabumon]

I once had this friend of mine named Jack.

Jack had two friends.

One was an O.K. guy and one was mean as crap. A real big-mouth.

One day the Bigmouth caused a problem with Jacks other friend.

Jacks other friend opened a can of Whoop butt on the guy.

Jacks friend Bigmouth was taking a real whipping.

After a while, the Bigmouth started to look like a bloody mess.

Jack pulled his friend off.

Jack's friend asked, "Why did you pull me off. You know he deserved it!"

Jack replied,"He deserved to be taught a lesson, however life is of the most importance. In fact, sometimes it can be worse than Death."

Just my two cents.
Country Ninja,
Tracy Crocker

[Melanie]

Hello All,

Just thought I would tell you about something that happened to a friend of mine last weekend. I just wondered what you might do under the same circumstances?

It was 3am Saturday monring, and in the dark street outside he heard lots of yelling outside. Rather than yell at them himself he decided to go out and ask them to keep it down a bit and he went outside to see what it was about. He found 2 men on the street yelling at each other, obviously drunk and possibly stoned as well. Upon asking them what was going on and to quiet down they approached me and began making threats. Unknown to me at the time one was carrying a small razor knife in his pocket.

He obviously tried to soothe the situation as best he can, unfortunately to no avail. He came away with injuries to his arm and chest and the police dragging them away. Fortunately he is in no trouble himself with the law.

Can you tell me what you would have done?

Melanie

[Silver_no2]

Car-jack scenario - agree with what others have said.

Drunks with razor - safe option is to retreat back into your flat and call the local police station.

If this is not an option then you will have to deal with the man with the knife. (Given that the two were arguing it is unlikely that they are going to work together against you). You have the major advantage of being sober - while it is true that you tend not to feel too much pain when you are drunk, your reactions are also a lot slower. A restraint technique might work but it depends how drunk they are, if they don't feel the pain then it wouldn't be too effective and you would probably be better off using a technique that breaks his wrist/arm. Again, as with my previous post, I have no sympathy for someone with a blade who is looking to use it on someone, reap what you sow etc.

Alternatively if you could avoid the weapon and dump the drunk on his arse then you would be able to:

1. Retreat into your flat and call the police, or
2. Kick him in the head (this one is for Freeform!)

In my limited experience martial arts are based on the principle of defending yourself. If you can avoid the confrontation then do so!

Alternatively, make sure that you are carrying a katana when you go downstairs and then see how he gets on with his little knife!!!!

[Freeform]

Well unlike Silver I don't have a katana, but I've got a dandy pair of butterfly knives (thats not a knife.....).

Pretty much agree with Silver on this, you have a safe place to run, hide and phone the police, why not do this to start with? Drop knife guy hard and leg it. Restraints only really work when you have back-up (a mate or the police are coming) or one on one (and I'm not about to trust drunk stoned guy, he's probably the other guys brother or something), hit VERY hard and run VERY fast.

(Or if your Silver you could suplex the knife-guy onto the other guy and crush them both with your rugby international sized frame, hee hee).

[waya]

Ok, as I understand things, the blade is an unknown..... Not nice of the guy :-)

Investigate the situation, if noone is in danger, move back inside and call the police.... Drunks are their problem :-) lol

[fluffydoc]

Drunken shouting and fights are at least a weekly occurence outside my flat as I live above a takeaway in the city centre. If it sounds like someone's getting a serious doing, I look out the window. I've called the police a couple of times for someone getting attacked by a group of men. I'd rather put up with a few minutes disturbed sleep than get stabbed.

[Silver_no2]

Good call fluffydoc! After all, we wouldn't want any wasted motion! You could always challenge them to an arm wrestle. The deal being that if you beat them they have to leave quietly. Why aren't you at work!?!?

[Freeform]

Come on Melanie, you can't have run out of ideas already?

[Chazz]

I hope not. PLEASE SEND MORE!!!

[waya]

hmmmmmmmm maybe she is thinking up a really tough one? *cringes* lol
Can't wait for more myself.

Rob

[Andy Murray]

Melanie, can't post scenarios right now, as she is in mortal danger!

Melanie, is trapped in her Dojo, by seven Rabid Ninjas with poisoned chainsaws!

You have been drawn to the building by the smell of burning. A Dojo on fire. A Moderator in distress. A multiple attack scenario to die for!

What would you do?

Oh yes; the only weapon to hand is a box containing six eggs!:eek:

[Chazz]

Oh ide like to see what she does in this " scenario. hehe.

[Freeform]

Run like a chicken?

[waya]

have scrambled eggs and think about it.

lol

[Thomas Vince]

You must be rough!
Firstly all of us as martial artists have a responsibility for life. I would stop him from kicking the guy in the head, pin him down and hold for police and then file a complaint. Is it that simple?
Thomas

[Andy Murray]

Hi Folks, this thread seems to have gotten forgotten about, and a lot of people had fun with it. So in an effort to revive it .............here's a scenario;



You are walking home alone, when you become aware of someone walking towards you from the opposite direction.

Something tells you that this is not just another passerby.

As you are about to pass each other, the figure steps in front of you and engages eye contact, asking if you can spare some change! His eyes seem slightly glazed, his balance is unsteady and he has one hand in the pocket of his jacket.

You have no change, and when you explain this, the person replies, " maybe I shall just cut you up then".

No weapons are visible, noone is within shouting distance, and you have a slightly injured ankle from training earlier.


What would you do?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Step forwards, swing kick to the head and get out of there before the bouncers turn up.

[Jack]

First Situation: 1

Second Situation: 3 - I'd try to calm him down, or distract him.

Third Situation: I'd try to calm him down.

Fourth Situation: Kick his ass. heh.

[Melanie]

Being a woman could alter the scenario somewhat. He may ask for more then change! I am also no blackbelt, so I don't have the added advantage of experience that others may have. It depends...if he does appear slightly worse for wear I would do one of two things.

1. He threatens to cut me up, I could act very frightened and start to back away, which feeds his state of mind (the element of power and control) and when he least expects it knee or toe into the groin by stepping forward, then clawing his face and getting the hell out of dodge!

2. Alternatively, I could surprise him immediately by standing up to him, which he probably won't expect anyway, me being female. It depends on the distance between us as well when he threatens me...I could move my hands up as to ward him away, thus shortening the distance to moving my hand up and poking him in the throat and running away, or in the eyes and running away. If he is too close, I could just kick him in the knee and walk away. He can't attack much if he can't walk....hmmm...but he can still throw a knife at me...no, I would still run away.

Actually thought of another thing I could do...I could completely throw him off I suspect by virtually throwing myself at him. This he shouldn't expect from a woman he has just threatened! I could then get myself into a position where I could either throw him, hit a pressurepoint or just plain disarm him. So much would depend on what state of mind I found the assailant in at the time...

(I wonder if any of it would work?)

Melanie

[hongkongfuey]

Melanie,

In my opinion your second response is the least risky as it does not give him any time to control the situation. Any delay gives him the chance of grabbing you and taking control himself.

I think a 'full force' attack is the way I would deal with this as it seems highly likely that he is dangerous, even if he does not have a blade. However, if you are in a street with a lot of people passing by then you do not want to be seen as the 'attacker'!

I was in a similar position to this once in America where someone tried to sell me Crack. When I refused, he pointed out that he had a gun on him. He was completely off his face, and I had not trained in the martial arts for very long at this time either.

Luckily, he suddenly decided to leave me alone, and go and try his luck with someone else. I promptly ran off and phoned the police!

[Freeform]

Everyones forgotten about their ankle injury (I on the other hand, foot whatever, actually have one so here goes).

Depending on the range I'd stay away from him and walk around him keeping my eye on him, walk down the other side of the street and go home.

If he was rather close and I really felt he was going for it I'd either trap his pocketed hand with my left hand and give him a good right cross/Gyaku... or grab him, trapping the arm and sweep him into the pavement bloody hard... then kick him some, pull out my Butterfly knives and....

[Andy Murray]

Prompted by Melanies response to the previous Scenario, here is another!

You are male, fit, able and sober. You are with your wife/girlfriend, making your way home of an evening, when you are confronted by three aggresive young men who appear to have been drinking.

They have you backed into a corner and surround you.

Around the corner people are waiting for taxis, but you are not visible to them.

Ordinarily you would break free and try to get where there may be help/witnesses.

On this occasion this means leaving your wife/partner in danger!

Try and look at it from the perspective of what the partner may be thinking/feeling!

Andy

[waya]

I must admit I would act harshly in this situation. I don't give chances where others could be hurt. The closest one to me would lose his knee immediately. Then I would turn on the next closest one and most likely strike to his abdomen and then throat or neck. If the third one is still around I would probably shoot for the knee again, also throwing strikes to the face, solar plexus, and groin. Hopefully my girlfriend would have left the area during this time so I can move off myself.

Rob

[LilBunnyRabbit]

First I'd kiyap as loudly as possible and get into stance, with any luck the yell would both attract attention and convince them that I just got out of the asylum. After that it would depend a lot on their positions, what they looked like, what they were wearing and how they were acting.

[Freeform]

Don't know about where you guys live but saturday night entertainment in Edinburgh consists of watching scenarios like this and not helping in the slightest.

Tell her to leg it when she can (ok, I know you can handle yourself dear, but let me be a man about it....) and then pound on the first guy (right crosses and groin/knee kicks), as his mates would then close me up it would be knees and elbows all round, and then leg it myself.

Thanx

[Andy Murray]

You are walking home of an evening with two mates, one of whom has enjoyed themselves a bit too much!

Your friend is obnoxious and shouting at passersby, while you just want to see them home!

You all live fairly nearby one another, so when you near home you say farewell to your mates and turn off towards your street.

Impulsively, you look back to laugh at your staggering mate, only to see a gang of ten blokes running up an alley after them. You passed thee guys earlier on, and your mate made a silly comment to one of them!

There is noone else about, you have no mobile phone, and there are no payphones nearby!

The crowd is now 200yards away, and your mates are nowhere in sight!

What do you do?

Assuming that you chased after them, you arrive on scene to find one of your mates vanished, the other one ( the sober one ) taking a beating while held by two of the gang. They haven't seen you yet!

The odds are Ten to two. What do you do?

[Freeform]

If they haven't seen me, theres still no way you can down ten guys on your own (and remember your drunk). Grab an incidentlay weapon savagely batter as many as you can,

when the group notice you they won't wanna attack a guy with a weapon, you might be able to extract your friend.

OR

and then leg it and hope some of them follow you, at least you've bettered the odds for your mate a little.

So who's goning to assault and put on of the gang in a painfull and potentially leathal hold and try to 'exchange' hostages?

Thanx

[Thomas Vince]

Good scenario, a bit dramatic but none the less does happen. Okay like it or not here it comes. Taking into account legalities and possession and all the such that goes along with this answer, here it goes.
You as the warrior are always a warrior, and you expect trouble, recognize trouble and danger, look for danger try to find danger and it's arising. You as the warrior are also responsible for your own feelings of regret, there is honor in death and one must die, question is simple do you die here? Weapons should already be in your possession because you anticipated a possible problem, you anticipated violence and you are already protected, mace, baton, knife, gun and if concealed it doesn't matter right now does it?
In the heart of the battle the warrior emerges!
The worst decision made was to leave the friends and seperate, in your scenario you divided your forces and thus let the enemy take advantage, that is the first mistake, the second is that you were with friends who could not handle themselves and had a bit to much for their own good. We all pay a price for self indulgence don't we? The real issue here is survivorship and honor amoungst cowards. The cowards are no more than jackals who attack in groups because they do not have the individual strength to overcome, they fight for evil deeds not honor, but none the less it is the street that motivates them to the deed. A predator smells your weakness be it yours or anothers in your presence, he feeds off of this and makes his purpose. In your scenario the sober one is taking the beating, well that is a sort of an injustice but he was there! I don't think your odds were fair I would say that it was 10 to one because your friend is no good to you when you free him he will run and leave you in his panic, or his hesitation for self preservation will be his final undoing and maybe yours to! So now you must be prepared for the following, 1.free your friend and give him the chance for survival, 2.take your licks and distract the gang, 3.get them to chase you the stronger one to a point where you can even the odds! This all has to take place in seconds, good luck young jedi! "Jabba, this is your last warning, free us or die!"
Thomas

[Freeform]

Huh? Thomas, you been drinking again?

[Thomas Vince]

Except for the last part "Jabba" I was serious.
Give me more of a reply FF. Give me something to work with will ya?

[waya]

There is really only one choice, attack them or allow your friend to be beaten. I would attack hard with any weapon I could find. Niceties are a thing for the ring, Use the weapon to take them completely out of the situation (head strikes, knee attacks etc) and take as many as possible in a very short time, the human mind takes a bit to register a new event and one man attacking ten will cause a bit of shock that will further delay their reaction, which works to your advantage. Take the first one facing you that is close in the face with whatever you are using, the brutality of the attack and the blood that results will generally make the others alot more hesitant about things being in their favor now. If they still persist then attack until you can get your friend out and then leave.

Rob

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Hit the most dangerous one as hard and fast as you can, then try to run if the opportunity presents itself or at least make sure that they regret attacking you or your friends.

[fluffydoc]

Making sure they regret attacking me and my friends is not high on my list of priorities. I don't care what they think, I just want myself and my friends to be out the situation.
As 1 girl attacking 10 men this is a non-starter as far as I'm concerned. Given that I was almost home when the situation arose, I'd run home and call help from there. OK, it's leaving my friend getting a doing but I can't really see that me getting beaten will make the situation any better.

[Silver_no2]

Not a nice position to find yourself in....I'd have to agree with FluffyDoc - get home, call for help...and then grab something to use as a weapon (if I haven't got an actual weapon available) and then go out and start breaking a few heads. No threats or warning - just wade in and hit a few people in the head. Keep hitting until they leg it or are all down. Not keen on leaving my mate for a minute but it's the only way that does not end in us both get a complete kicking!!

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Problem is by the time you've gone home, made the call, given the details, found a weapon and gone back your friend could easily be dead or severely injured.

[fluffydoc]

Yeah, but the same is true if I go to their aid and probably just as likely.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Not necessarily, for one thing you've halved the odds, and by making a lot of noise and hitting one of them as hard as you can on your way in (as you enter the fight) you've probably shaken them. All you need then is to go berserk and wake up next day in hospital, next to eight of them.

[STASH]

I think the element of surprise is the most important thing here. If they are focused on beating your friend and you sneak in quietly with a brick or something you could probably take one or two of them out. Do what you can but be rational, if you try to be a hero you'll just get killed.

[fluffydoc]

I'm going to have to disagree CKD. The situation is me and my beaten up mate who may even be unconcious versus 10 men who have already shown they are happy to attack 2 opponents. Ok, I've got the element of surprise but there's still a good chance they'll stand their ground against one girl even if I did take a couple out straight away. Then I get my ass kicked and there's still no help on the way.

[Freeform]

How do you determine who the most dangerous is CKD? I've heard this sort of thing before and its never worked for me (maybe I should prepare a questionare for my potential attackers and get them to fill it in before I decide ;) )

Thanx

[Andy Murray]

Hi guys n gals,

wow, thanks for all the input. A lot of suggestions here that I didn't actually think of at the time.

I was very young and just dived into the crowd trying to get as many of them off my mate as I could. Looking at what you have written, my brain was totally disconnected, cos none of this stuff occurred to me. It was before I got really seriously into the Martial Arts.
I got knocked down and kicked in the face a few times. I was really lucky, because they left me alone when they had all had a go.
My mate was really grateful for my help which made me feel a little better.
The mate who started it all had legged it at the first sign of trouble, and got away 'scot-free'

I think Fluffydoc has given the most logical response here, though I think most young men are incapable of thinking like this when it all fires off. Too many years in the caves I suppose.

As I recall at the time, all I could think was, that my mates would do the same for me. We were all in the same Rugby team you see.

Like Melanie before me these Scenarios were taken from personal experience.

Would anyone else like to share their personal experiences in the form of a Scenario?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

The dangerous one is generally the quiet, large one behind the leader.

[Silver_no2]

Originally posted by ckdstudent
The dangerous one is generally the quiet, large one behind the leader.

Have to disagree with you on that one CKD. I think that the most dangerous one is the female one!!! :D

[Freeform]

The dangerous one is generally the quiet, large one behind the
leader.



Not sure I agree with that 100%, but then nothing is in life (except death, taxes, your toast landing butter side down).



quote:

Originally posted by ckdstudent
The dangerous one is generally the quiet, large one behind the
leader.




Have to disagree with you on that one CKD. I think that the most dangerous
one is the female one!!!



Definately agree with that one ;)

Thanx

[Jim]

THe most dangerous one is always the female (and I mean that in every sence of the words!)

Scen for ya:

You've fallen asleep on a train on the way home, the result of too many late night video games and awake to find a man crouched in front of you going through your bag. He's holding a knife in front of him jest near your groin but is looking down at your bag that he's going through with his spare hand. (I still have the scar on my leg from this one!)

Your responces? (let the games begin...)

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Grab the wrist holding the knife, stand and front-kick into the sternum simultaneously. If the front kick doesn't break his ribs then twist the arm into a lockout and follow with multiple swing kicks and upwards punches to head and chest until he falls over.

Actually I avoid taking the train for that type of reason, and don't do the whole sleeping on public transport thing, usually because I can't get to sleep while moving.

[Silver_no2]

Don't let him know that I have woken up. Let him take whatever he wants from my bag and then when he turns around and goes to walk off kick him in the small of the back and then beat him to a pulp for stealing off me and threatening me with a knife. No problems with hitting him from behind. The b*st*rd didn't seem to have a problem with robbing me while I slept!

[Freeform]

I agree with Silver, but I'd do it much better cause i am!

Thanx

[Silver_no2]

Can't really argue with FreeForm on that one. He is much more of an evil git than me....I think it's something to do with him being louder and more in your face/full on than me :D

"FreeForm - when it absolutely, definitely comes to being a sadistic, nasty, dirty b*st*rd....accept no substitute!!!" :D

[Greyghost]

i would grab his wrist.....reach in to my bag, pull out my large wet cod i keep there and start to batter him to death with it.

Just as well i always wear a solid steel cod piece..cause trying to grab someones wrist when you've just woken up and theres a knife at your nads is a bit risky ...dontcha think...

just my humble opinion.


i'll go with dave on this...or better yet....colin.

(sorry dave)

[fluffydoc]

He's in enough danger going through my bag as it is. If he doesn't get diseases from the yucky hankies he'll get scratched by the random pins, rulers, bits of paper etc. Besides, my money's in my pocket.

[Silver_no2]

Besides, my money's in my pocket.
I consider myself quite brave but I would not risk putting my hands in FluffyDoc's pocket. Brings me far too close to her super fast Wing Chun hands :D

[i'll go with dave on this...or better yet....colin. (sorry dave) Don't apologise GG, I know a vicious f*cker when I see one...and FreeForm fits the bill far better than I do....why can't everyone just get along.....man (said while peace sign being made) :D

[Freeform]

Originally Posted by a deadman
"FreeForm - when it absolutely, definitely comes to being a sadistic, nasty, dirty b*st*rd....accept no substitute!!!"


I am not, and I'll make you retract that statement next time I see you by battering the living **** out of you, you ****** piece ****, and then I'll ***** the ****, oops.