you've got question, we've got answers.

[togakure_ninpo]

sorry for posting so much. in the "newbies posting on ninjutsu, please read this", it says not to be afraid to ask a question, but it seems like I'm filling up the entire board with my threads.


anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me straight out if Sato Ryu Ninjutsu is real. they claim to be a Kogo Ryu. I'm aware or Rick tew, Ashida Kim, Ronald Dux, etc... and just wanted to know if it is historically a ninjutsu ryu, and if the headmaster is for real. this is mostly a question directed twords kurohana, but anyone who might know, I would love to hear from.

http://www.satoryuninjutsu.com/

[Zamfoo]

You can never really be sure of the authenticity of any of these ninpo schools. I'm pretty sure on this forum atleast everyone will say go for Bujinkan Genbukan or the J one i can't think of right now. Somebody can say that one.

[Kalifallen]

Sato Ryu...
I'd try writting to them. Word of mouth is the best way to go.
Still, it seems like a Japanese art of Koga. I mean the guy who teaches it is suppose to be a Soke. Still, if you don't live where it is located then you will either have to go their and learn it or do a home study course. Either way, it is trying (hard).

[Brad Ellin]

??? Head Soke Organization of Japan and China? Soke "Kenneth" Sato? Reading this site just gives me more questions. Ones that I'm too busy with training to ask. Sorry, but if I seem a little biased, I am. Takamatsudan Ninpo Arts, are to my knowledge the only ones that can be traced back and still viable. Teachings handed down, scrolls still in existence. The scrolls are there, if you can read Japanese and "Old" Japanese at that.
Sorry, but I have heard tthe "rumors" about Koga Ryu, which Sato Ryu is supposed to be affiliated with. Koga died out a long time ago, but isn't it convenient how it crops up as a "secret" art, as taught to "Special Forces and Law Enforcement". Another of those "We're so secret we can't give out names".
Sorry if I sound cynical, but I am.
As for asking questions, by all means, ask as many as you want. I just ask that you research previous posts first. If you have a fresh question or fresh outlook on something, great! If you need clarification, that's great too. What I, and I suspect many others, are tired of are the Frank Dux, Ninja-To, Black vs Blue Gi types of questions. The answers (at least ours) are there to be found.

[xplasma]

I was look at their site, and I see ther call their Dojo "Bufakan Dojo". This sounded familiar. then I remember, it was part of the Real Ultimate Power hate mail.

From realultimatepower.net
DEAR ROBERT (OR WHOM EVER)

I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE POSTED ON YOUR SIGHT IS NOT ONLY COMPLETELY WRONG BUT ALSO VERY MISLEADING AND DANGEROUS. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF NINJA,NINPO OR NINJUTSU BUT CLAIM TO BE AN AUTHORITY ON THE SUBJECT. GOD FORBID SOMEONE ACTUALLY TAKES YOUR GARBAGE TO HEART AND TRIES THIS INSANITY....YOUR GOING TO GET SOEM POOR KID KILLED....ARE YOU READY TO ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AS FOR ME....IM A NINJUTSU SOKE...GRANDMASTER....IN A LEGITAMATE NINJA RYU (FAMILY) WITH 25 YEARS UNDER MY BELT IN AN HISTORICALY TRACEABLE LINEAGE. I STONGLY URGE THAT YOU DO THE FOLLOWING....
>1:PLACE AN APOLOGY ON THE SIGHT WITHIN 48 HRS OF RECIEPT OF MY EMAIL TO ALL NINPO STUDENTS AND TEACHERS.
>2:PLACE A NOTE ON THE BEGINING OF YOUR SIGHT TELLING EVERYONE THAT GOES TO YOUR SIGHT THAT YOU ARE FULL OF BS.HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE ART AND TO NOT TAKE THE SIGHT SERIOUSLY
>3: REMOVE THE SIGHT BEFOR SEPT 15 2002. SHOULD YOU NOT REMOVE THE SIGHT BY THAT DATE THEN I WILL FIRST LOBBY AOL TO HAVE THE SIGHT REMOVED. IF THAT DOES NOT WORK I WILL PAY YOU A VISIT TO TEACH YOU WHAT REAL SHINOBI IS CAPABLE OF DOING....AND BELIEVE ME...I CAN AND WILL VISIT YOU. YOUR SIGHT IS DANGEROUS AND OFFENSIVE...ESPECIALLY TO SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO HAS DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO THIS ART AND HAS INHERITED THE SYSTEM AND KNOWS THE DANGERS AND VALIDITY OF NINJUTSU. I EXPECT AN EMAIL IN RETURN TO CONFIRM YOUR RECIEPT OF THIS EMAIL.....GOD HELP YOU IF YOU DONT RESPOND.


SOKE D. FUJITA
BUFUKAN NINPO BUJUTSU HOMBU DOJO

And again...

SOKE D. FUJITA Part 2


Dear Robert,


september 15th rapidly moves in upon us like a thunder cloud ready to explode in an intense rain of fury. as i stated in my previous letter, i asked if you were ready to accept the responsibility of the damage and injury that your mis information will cause others. i see that you have recieved a letter from a concerned mother of three stateing that your web site has caused her son to fail in school as well as injure one of her other children. is it simply that you are waiting for some one to die as a result of the garbage that you propogate on your site? you only have a few days left to send out a letter to me via email that will be distributed to all real ninja that you have insulted as well as post a disclaimer on your site disavowing what you claim to teach....then take the site down and replace it with a letter stateing that anyone whao has taken you seriously should not and that they should not follow your ill example. dont force me to take further action upon you the least of which is to petition aol to tear down your site....the worst of which would be a personal visit from myself and my students at your so called dojo to remedy your ill behavior. little boy, i am the real deal, and i take offense at your immature lies and the example your set for others. i guarantee that my 25 years in ninjutsu as well as my title of ninja,iemoto and sokeship over various japanese ryu ha related to the ninja will be quite adiquate to put you in you place. fell free to email me back....and anyone who reads this can email me at @@@@@@ with your concerns and together we can fight to have this little boy banned from the web. robert, i hope...no i dare you to post this entire letter on your site so that others can access my email address.

wrathfully,
david d. fujita, soke (grandmaster)
bufukan ninpo bujutsu dojo network I wouldn't put to make stock into a "soke" that feel the need to email hate mail to realutliamtepower. Can you see Hatsummi Sensei or Tanemura Sensei or Manaka Sensei doing that?

[totality]

15 barrels of pearly grapes says those are fake emails.

[xplasma]

15 barrels of pearly grapes says those are fake emails.
I a sure realultimatepower gets plenty of hatemail, enough that they don't have to make it up. Second if you were going to fake someone, why not Hatsumi, that would be "higher profile"

[totality]

not really, i don't know who either of those guys are, so neither one sounds more high profile to someone like me, who believes the only purpose of the ninja is to flip around and throw pointy things at people.

you have a point about their volume of hatemail though.

[Jimmy Wand-Yu]

Hello,

Could someone clarify anything (xplasma, Kurohana or SilentNightfall maybe)? Who is Manaka Sensei? What is Jinenkan? What is Koga-ryu? What is Bushikai? Who is Soke Fujita? Good links would also be helpful.


Thank you in advance,

Jimmy

[xplasma]

Hello,

Could someone clarify anything (xplasma, Kurohana or SilentNightfall maybe)? Who is Manaka Sensei? What is Jinenkan? What is Koga-ryu? What is Bushikai? Who is Soke Fujita? Good links would also be helpful.


Thank you in advance,

Jimmy

Jinenkan is a off-shoot of Bujinkan Ninpo. It was started by Manaka Sensei. In Jinenkan they put a lot of emphasis on mastering the basics.

http://www.jinenkan.com

Koga-ryu is a term to represent a Koga Region Ninpo. Ninpo comes from two regions of Japan Iga and Koga.

Bushikai is a single dojo that once was Bujinkan then Genbukan, they sent off on their own becuase of the x-kan politics.

Soke Fujita is the gradmaster of Bufukan, which is the style under discusion in this thread.

[togakure_ninpo]

to me it sounds like a little on the unbelievable side. I just wanted to check with you fine people, to see what your oppinions were. I'v found many other websites like those in the past.




if anyone's interested, I conjured up a fake ryu site (I was bored). I list it in the HTML as being fake, just incase anyone finds it by accident. (I thought it was funny anyway. maybe you guys won't) I'll most likely delete it in the next few days, since it just takes up space.

http://www32.brinkster.com/mekanixos/kashiryu/

[SilentNightfall]

First of all, as stated in so many other threads on this forum, Ninja were not assassins. They killed only when necessary for survival. The only Ninja assassins were rogues looking for money and nothing else. The vast majority of Ninja, at best, worked for the government at some point to gather intelligence and advise in military strategy. The most famous part of Ninja history is its beginning where Ninjutsu was created as an art to survive against the samurai who sought to destroy the Ninja out of fear. I believe this was under Oda Nobunaga's rule. Either way, the assassin thing is totally false and made popular only by Japanese literature of the times that included tales of Ninja killing, raping, and other such things. One can, in my belief, still claim to be Ninja today. You must only follow the philosophy. I believe one must also practice Ninjutsu as well, but according to Hatsumi-sensei's words, such is not necessary to be Ninja. As far as the familial issue, a certain Bujinkan ryu (most likely Togakure ryu) has its lineage linked to Iga so it is most definitely not kept in the family any longer. I suggest reading over past threads here on MAP. These issues have been discussed numerous times. Kurohana, Xplasma, and others, including myself, are quite tired of having to keep correcting misconception on our art that movies, the Internet, etc. have been giving over the years. Please stop propagating the "bad Ninja assassin in black PJs" theory. This, of course, is not meant to come off as harsh. Just asking nicely to do a bit of research here on the forums about the true nature of Ninjutsu and the practitioners thereof.

[Henso]

Gentlemen,

I noticed the topic of "Sato Ryu" and Fujita Seiko being mentioned and thought that I might be able to clarify, as I done some research into this topic.

First of all, Fujita was a famous early 20th century martial artist, who is listed by the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten as having been Soke of the following ryuha. 14th and last of Koga Ryu Wada Ha, his family Ninjutsu system. Second Soke of Nanban Sato Ryu Kenpo-Jutsu, which is recorded to have been passed to Iwata Manzo, and is related to Seigo ryu via its branch school, Nanban Ippon ryu. This is definitely not a ninjutsu school, but, those hoping to use Fujita for legitamacy often mistakenly claim it to be. Iwata also inherited two other schools from Fujita, Dai En Ryu Jojutsu and Shingetsu Ryu Shurikenjutsu, neither of which are Ninjutsu schools.

Lastly, if you are interested in more on Fujita, try http://fujitaseiko.tripod.com, a site where I present my Fujita research.

[Poop-Loops]

Bufakan? To my knowledge, there is no "fa" sound in Japanese.

PL

[Keikai]

Henso,

Good info on there, the only thing that puzzles me is that i thought fujita was dead?

Now, did he either send the emails from the grave or is someone out there full of crap, i sent a mail to sato ryu one day after that bloke Michiel tried to do the 3rd tai kai and i got a mouthful back saying they were going to sort me out, how funny, didn't realise i was worth the air fair, anyway i am still here!!

[oneninja]

Well,the saga continues my ninjutsu is better than yours.I have been studying sato ryu ninjutsu since 1966,my teacher was yamashiro sensei a very honorable man born and raised in japan.He was trained in the art of ninjutsu in japan and according to him and many others hatsumi was the one who broke tradition and started teaching westerners the secrets of ninjutsu.But I will not say mine is better than yours,But I will say yours is no better than mine,I am so tired of some of these so called experts saying that the koga ryu died out many years ago,after all ninjutsu has always been shrouded in secrecy so how is it that alot of you seem to know for sure that koga is gone.All I will say is koga seems to have been passed on, just because you cant find documentation doesnt mean it isnt there.I started training before most people in the states knew what ninjutsu was.So you can countinue to deface the art that I love but it will not deter myself and others from posting our comments on this subject.I will never denounce your ryu because I have trained with many students of your art and they are really some wonderful people and fortuneatly they have the same respect for my art as I have for theirs.In closing I would just like to say whats yours is yours and whats mine is mine.

[Brad Ellin]

Oneninja, the reason most people say that Koga Ryu Ninjutsu died out is there has been no one with proof (scrolls, densho, etc) to back it up. As meticulous as the Japanese are (one could almost say obsessive) about record keeping, there should be some proof. So far, no one (to the best of my knowledge, and I admit to not knowing it all) has come forth with that proof. So forgive my scepticsm. Not saying mine is better than yours, just saying as of right now, Hatsumi has a more legitimate claim to inheriting the Ryu he has.
If your Sensei has the skills and know how that you say he has and you are happy with the quality of training, then more power to you. But, keep in mind, as long as no one comes forth with verifiable proof, people will doubt the legitimacy of any one claiming Sokeship of Koga Ryu (or any off shoots thereof).

[Stick]

Is ninjitsu effect as a fighting art, or is it just a tip toe up and stab you in the back kind of art?

[Kagebushi]

well, check the forum. theres all kinds of stuff on this subject.

[oneninja]

Kurohana,I do understand your doubts and why you have them Im just saying there are some of us who know things others dont,Im not at liberty to discuss these things but I assure you koga does still exsist.I believe a mans word is his honor and my sensei was a very honorable man therefore I believe what he taught me was genuine as Im sure you believe what you have learned is indeed authentic.I know that proof of koga ryu may remain unseen but it is out there as for your point it is well taken and understood.Good health to you sir and enjoy your training as I will mine.

[oneninja]

Stick as for your question I can tell you from experience ninjutsu is in fact an all around style,You are obviously under that same impression alot of people are.Ninja were not asassins but more than likley farmers or perhaps lower middle class people.As for stabbing in the back Im sure it happened but that is not what ninjutsu is all about.It is more a life style perhaps a religion but I assure you being a ninja was an honorable way of life.

[Kalifallen]

One thing I think is weird is why does it seem everyone needs proof. I mean, you can forge proof, so what's so great about proof if it could be fake. I mean, it should all be about the style, the instructor, and if it is done properly (like, are they really teaching how to kick, etc). I know people look for proof so they don't lose money but isn't educating yourself on the art better and watching the class preform more helpful than a lisence? That's just my opinion because I've seen some lisenced people who can't teach a lick.

As for the Koga thing. I think they still probably exist in Japan and other parts of the world. I mean, ninja's are a secretive bunch. Still, I think the Koga clan is smaller than the Iga because I think the Koga stuck with the family bloodline, father to son/daughter. While the Iga taught to the one's most deserivng of the family, like father teaches son, daughter, cousion. I think Iga was more open in their ninjutsu than Koga was. Plus, Koga was more into following the rules brought forth by the ruler than the Iga. I say this because when the Tokugawa regien started samurai and ninja were told to disband and the samurai and the majority of Koga did, only teaching it to family members. But the Iga did not disband and still teach their art freely. I think that is how it goes, or at least that's how I remember it.
So, Sato Ryu could be authentic even if it has gaps in the timeline.

[oneninja]

Kalifallen,its nice to hear from someone who has a more opened mind,as you stated ninjas were very secretive and its not so far fetched that the koga still exsist.My sensei was from the koga region and I believe what he taught me is genuine,I realize there will always be doubters but kurohana did make a good point and so do you,some people have to have documentation in order to believe.So I will continue to train and enjoy my art as it was taught to me. I will also continue to teach this style to others so the line will continue. As of right now I have four students who have been training with me for six years now. I have had to slow my training because of health problems but I will continue as much as I can.Nice to hear from you. Have a good one Im sure there will be more posts to come.

[uraken]

Stick,

I came out of my first ninjutsu class feeling that i did'nt know as much about martial arts as i thought. I am starting right from the bottom rung again and u wouldnt believe how much i am enjoying it, I am so looking forward to what lies ahead for myself and my two young children, man i wish i was their age again.........DOH!

[Henso]

He's definitely is dead, and unless he came back from the dead, then whomever threatened you must have a split personality.

[Krazy5051]

It irritates me to see pretenders of ninjitsu claim supremacy over one another like a political table of power being fought using grades and lineage of their styles. A student should be recognised not by his grade or stye but his/her achievements gained in life. When will you realise grades and certificates will not shield you from harm. You are each who you are with unique instincts. I have had many teachers and friends and been expelled and banned from many classes, but I learned what I know through patience, practice, and perseverance. Ninja have a saying, "train yourself, and be your own master."

Is ninjitsu effect as a fighting art, or is it just a tip toe up and stab you in the back kind of art?

Whatever it takes my friend, whatever it takes.

Yours in martial arts,

Kid.

[Grimjack]

Taken from the web site,

Sato Ryu is a Koga Ryu style certified by the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai, the oldest koryu organization.

There is a member of MAP who used to live in Japan named Steve Delany. His screen name is Gunyo Kogusoku. When he was in Japan he trained in an art that is a member of the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai. According to him, the quoted section above is a complete lie.

Go ahead and contact him if you don't believe me. "Sato-sensei's" stories of training under Toshitoro Yamashiro, etc should just be treated as tall tales. I think this guy also has been caught making claims of military service as well.

[althaur]

Is your Koga instructer name Toshitora Yamashiro? Just curious.

My .02 on this matter. I think why most people get their panties in a bunch over these secretive claims is because someone is duping unsuspecting students. Here is an analogy.

I learn a bit of French from books, maybe I actually spend a month or two with a French teacher. I then learn a little German, Italian, maybe some Swahili. I mash this all together to come up with my own hybrid-bastard "style". Suddenly French becomes REALLY popular. So I start teaching French. I tell everyone that I can't tell them who my instructor was, they're dead, blah blah blah.

Finally someone with more knowledge than myself, calls me on it. They say, "wait a minute"! How can you be teaching French when it doesn't even sound like French except for a few BADLY pronounced words? The grammar is all wrong, you have words and structure from another language that isn't even related!

I feel like my lie is being attacked and I need to defend the illusion that I have woven around myself and my life. Finally as a last resort I say, " I never said I'm teaching French". I'm teaching FrInch.

Riding on the coat tails.

[Banpen Fugyo]

I read a really really really good article on Fujita... My sensei showed it to me, i'm sure some of u old farts know what im talking about. Basically it when on saying that BASICALLY, fujita COULD have learned koga ryu from his grandfather, but his grandfather died after a few short years, so even if it was authentic, he didnt get nearly as much information to become a "soke". Also the scrolls died with his grandfather...

I wanna go find this article now...

[Banpen Fugyo]

AH HA! found it:

http://www.bujinkanwakodojo.com/bwd_kogaryu_history.html

Some quotes:

According to Fujita, his grandfather was his teacher of ninjutsu. A young Fujita had sought adventure by running away and joining some Yamabushi on their pilgrimage. AKA: CIRCUS

When Fujita was dragged back to his parents, his grandfather made him a deal. He would teach the boy ninjutsu if the child promised to not run away. Fujita agreed and his training began. Unfortunately it was only a few years before his grandfather died. Fujita admits that there were many things he did not get a chance to learn under his grandfather and later studied numerous ninjutsu texts as well as once again training with the yamabushi to further his training. The problem with Fujita's story is that there is so little proof of what he says.

Since his grandfather had already decided to let his tradition die, he had destroyed the scrolls before taking on Fujita as a student. This is reasonable, but does show a lack of documentation. Also, as stated, by the end of the Edo period the Koga had lost their ninjutsu abilities. And there is the question of just how trustworthy his grandfather was. Parents lie to children, this is a fact. And a grandfather desperate to keep his grandson from running away may be excused if he did so by keeping him occupied with a little fib

The training that Fujita said he got under his grandfather raises a lot of questions. The type of training that Fujita later related were those that related to almost every type of martial art, with no real training specific to ninjutsu. He learned to control his breath, increase his endurance, walk and run great distances and toughen his hands. There is no mention of stealth. Of course, many fundamental stealth exercises are ones that test the patience of the student. This is not something young boys are known for. Fujita showed even less patience than most boys his age.

Despite all this, there is a certain ring of truth about Fujita's story. Despite the questions of whether his grandfather was indeed a master of Koga ryu ninjutsu, Fujita probably did go through a type of training with him. If he had made up the story he probably would have embellished it and made it sound like he studied longer than he did with his grandfather and not mentioned adding to his knowledge from outside sources. He seems to actually have believed that he had been taught Koga ryu ninjutsu. And unlike other self- proclaimed masters of Koga ryu ninjutsu, his drive and willingness to work and train is clear. Fujita had incredible skills of endurance and strength. He could walk on the upper sides of his feet, an ability most students of yoga cannot duplicate. And he assembled a huge library of books and historical works in his search for ninjutsu to add to what his grandfather taught him.

ANYWAYS

Like I said already... This doesnt mean that Fujita sucked... all it means is that he didnt learn Ninjutsu :)

[Grimjack]

Like I said already... This doesnt mean that Fujita sucked... all it means is that he didnt learn Ninjutsu :)

No, it just means that we don't know for certain that he learned ninjutsu based on his own statements. There is a chance, a good one IMO, that he did. But the chance is there that he did not.

But on a realted note, there is this quote from the ask Soke page.

Well I know a lot of people have said that when Fujita Soke died that Koga Died with him. But when you look at the fact that it seems not many have. You see that this little tale of all of his higher up denshi were not all killed in that car crash. Many people would like to look at that and believe it or have it believed. However it’s just not true. As for Wada Ha Ryu and Sato Ryu there are still alive today and the scrolls prove it. This is just another example of people believing everything they hear from the small-minded people and Money Mill Pimps

Real classy, huh? "Money Mill Pimps" and other insults at the Bujinkan.

But note that this guy claiming to be taught in Fujita Seiko's art talks about how he was killed in a car accident. But he was not!!!!! He died of liver damage!!!! So how come the soke or koga ryu does not even know how the old head of the art died?

Anyone claiming to have been taught by Yamashiro Tamatora should be looked at with suspicion because of all the red flags that go up about the story.

[Satori81]

The whole "Sato Ryu Ninjutsu" thing caught my attention.

You see, I recently moved into downtown San Diego, and I was looking for a dojo to supplement my Ninpo training. I came across a place called "The Temple of the Autumn Moon", which I thought sounded nice. So, I gave them a call, and was VERY pleased when they said "We teach Ninjutsu".

My heart raced, and my eyes lit up as I thought "Great! I'll be able to train daily after work, then train on the weekends with my personal instructor! I can't wait!", to which I thought, "Oh, wait...I hope they're Genbukan...since my main instructor is Genbukan, I don't want to get into politics...should I not tell them..."

I agonized for a few moments, then blurted out, "Oh great! Are you affiliated with Genbukan, Bujinkan, or Jinenkan?" I figured I'd get it out in the open, and state my case. That way, I could find out whether or not I'd get in trouble.

Considering that my only experience with Ninpo comes from Hatsumi-sensei, Tanemura-Sensei, and Ashida Kim (:-p), I assumed that any LEGITIMATE, well-known Ninjutsu school was affiliated with an X-Kan. You could understand my surprise when she said, quite abruptly,

"Oh, neither...we teach Sato-ryu Ninjutsu...", After my blubbering questions as to symantics and syllabi (do you use the standard Ichimonji No Kamae, etc...), she quite rudely cut me off and said, "Just visit our website. Good bye."

Well...the instructor uses a strange African sounding surname, is a reverand, and runs his school as a "Church-do".

In true Japanese fashion, I clutched my jaw and ran screaming from an imaginary Godzilla.

Still, I've wondered how authentic that school could have been. Thanks for the clarification, guys!

May you achieve
Satori

[kakuma]

Sato, Soke Yo.- WA 11/2005: Claims to be former US Navy SEAL Team 6 member and "other Special Operations groups." Claims to have been captured and held POW in Kosovo where he claims to have been tortured by having been buried alive, shot twice, stabbed and finally electrocuted prior to be rescued by his fellow "Ninja Brother." He then claims that he died twice upon the operating table and had to have a steel plate put into his head as a result of his injuries sustained while in Kosovo. He also claims numerous Purple Heart and Silver Star Medals. There are more but witnesses could not keep track of all of his claims.


Mr. Sato had a legal change of name and is formerly known as Jason Dale Hamilton. You can obtain a copy of his name change case record by writing to the Thurston County Courthouse located in Olympia, Wa for a fee of $5.00 USD. Request case# 64076

Like Mr. D'Antonio his Martial Arts credentials are being questioned by former friends, students and other Martial Artist from around the globe. Most believe they too are as fraudulant as his claims about his military service.

It is alledged that Mr. Sato has frauded students out of money here in the US as well as in in Europe (specifically Sweden) where he alledgedly lied to them about being a former US Navy SEAL and more. Mr. Sato is also reported to become angry and hostile when questioned about his credentials.


This information was gatherd at http://www.specsec.org/CDWall.html.

I know Bujinkan freind of mine contacted his affiliate Bufukan Ninpo Bugei David D'antonio.

After several emails Mr. D'antonio admitted that he trained in the Bujinkan in which he received a 4th dan (if memory serves me correctly) These guys are obvious frauds and should be considered nothing less.