Shuriken help!

[birchy]

Hi, I'm new here so I can't post in the official "Ninjutsu" thread so I thought I'd post here.

I've been going to a koryuu dojo for a couple of months now and I'd like to start learning how to properlly use shurikens, I've looked around but not many places sell shuriken as they are ilegal, I am aware bo shurikens are not illegal but I am yet to find a trustworthy site to buy some from...If anyone could recommend a site or a shop in or near Essex that would be great.

[Hannibal]

Why? they are archaic and unnecessary

You might as well just get some throwing knives or a set of darts

[birchy]

Why? they are archaic and unnecessary

You might as well just get some throwing knives or a set of darts

I'm not sure why but they fascinate me, The reason I started doing Ninjutsu is because I was interested the samurai and their weapons.

[Hannibal]

I personally wouldn't bother

If you really need to throw things try looking at one of these

http://www.coldsteel-uk.com/store/Torpedo.html

[Kogusoku]

It depends on the ryuha you are doing, as most ryuha have different designs of projectile weapon.

[Fu_Bag]

I'm not sure why but they fascinate me, The reason I started doing Ninjutsu is because I was interested the samurai and their weapons.

Personally, I'd head off in a different (correct) direction immediately if you're interested in samurai weapons and methods.

[Dean Winchester]

Why? they are archaic and unnecessary

You might as well just get some throwing knives or a set of darts

Because he's doing an art with a traditional base?

That's a bit like asking an iai practioner why he needs a sword.

[Dean Winchester]

Hi, I'm new here so I can't post in the official "Ninjutsu" thread so I thought I'd post here.

I've been going to a koryuudojo for a couple of months now and I'd like to start learning how to properlly use shurikens, I've looked around but not many places sell shuriken as they are ilegal, I am aware bo shurikens are not illegal but I am yet to find a trustworthy site to buy some from...If anyone could recommend a site or a shop in or near Essex that would be great.


Do you mean a Koryu dojo or a kouryuu dojo?

I ask because you mention Ninjutsu and that you ask about the Essex area.

If it's the former then perhaps you should wait until your teacher starts teaching you?

[Hannibal]

Because he's doing an art with a traditional base?

That's a bit like asking an iai practioner why he needs a sword.

Not exactly - shaken/shuriken are illegal in the UK and I still maintain throwing knives would be an acceptable substitute even if they are not 100% accurate

Shrikami Ikku Ken (sp?) believed golf balls were good substitutes and I would argue he knew more about shuriken than pretty much anyone

[Dean Winchester]

Why? they are archaic and unnecessary

You might as well just get some throwing knives or a set of darts


Not exactly - shaken/shuriken are illegal in the UK and I still maintain throwing knives would be an acceptable substitute even if they are not 100% accurate

Shrikami Ikku Ken (sp?) believed golf balls were good substitutes and I would argue he knew more about shuriken than pretty much anyone

Bo shuriken are legal, last time I checked, and that is what birchy is after.

So there's no legal issue.

As for being archaic well they might well be but if he's studying a traditional system then having the appropriate weapon is relevant, it's not really about just throwing stuff at people.

As Steve said:

It depends on the ryuha you are doing, as most ryuha have different designs of projectile weapon.

Ryu-ha will have different weapons and methods of deploying and using them, heck even differing ways of carrying, so having the right tool is necessary for your studies.

[Hannibal]

Fair enough...for some reason I got the sense it was more fanboyish than anything else.

Bo shuriken are basically throwing knives though aren't they?

[Dean Winchester]

Depends on the school but perhaps throwing spikes might be more accurate??

http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.au/index1.htm

[Hannibal]

Found these

http://www.korisuya.com/bo.html

Looks exactly like what i suggested earlier!

http://www.coldsteel-uk.com/store/Torpedo.html

[Dean Winchester]

Again it'll all come down to what birchy is training in.

Some substitutes may be suitable some may not, it may not simply come down to just throwing the weapon there could be other factors.

It might look the same but what about balance, weight, size, method of throwing etc?

[Chadderz]

Just buy some rubber ones? Surely they will work just as well?

[Hannibal]

I would have thought that even amongst "official" shuriken there would be huge variation. the throwing technique would be pretty much universal though.

As I said earlier. my exposure to shuriken jutsu was only really through this book

Amazon.com: Shuriken-Do: Shirakami Ikku Ken: Books

[Chris Parker]

There are certain "universalities", if you will, but there are also distinct differences depending on characteristics of the specific weaponry involved, and the specific tactical usage in the Ryu-ha in question. It's like saying that there is variation in swords, but the technique is pretty universal... yes, but in a very real way, no.

[birchy]

Do you mean a Koryu dojo or a kouryuu dojo?

I ask because you mention Ninjutsu and that you ask about the Essex area.

If it's the former then perhaps you should wait until your teacher starts teaching you?


I'm pretty sure its Kouryuu as that's the warrior name of the guy who runs it but it could be Koryu, The website has the words "Bujinkan Koryuu dojo" and "Kouryuu dojo" on the same page describing the dojo so I'm not to sure.

[Banpen Fugyo]

Firstly, I dont think they are archaic or outdated at all... If you are learning proper ninjutsu then the movements your teacher will show you on throwing shuriken should help your taijutsu as well.

Secondly, anything from http://www.budoweapons.com/Online%20Catalog/Thrown%20Weapons.htm will be great.

Thirdly, just make your own... Bo shuriken are practical (has more uses than just projectile), much more fun to throw, and are easy to make out of gutter nails, just make sure you square the tip.

If you wanna buy cheap ones, I recommend these: http://superiormartialarts.com/images3/50628.jpg
because they have a squared or triagonal tip (dont bend like the crappy cylindrical ones) and can be bought in bulk so you dont have to worry about losing them. They DO tend to snap in the middle though.
http://superiormartialarts.com/cgi-bin/uniform/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=thispage&thispage=ninja1.html&ORDER_ID=306242500&affiliate=!affiliate!

Stay away fromt his Naruto anime crap:
http://www.globalgear.com.au/images/dsc_89521.jpg

or any other "kunai" that has a big circle on the end.

And like I said earlier, stay away from "needle" spikes because they bend super easily:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VSZ4PF3xZOM/TSW8_VaoLCI/AAAAAAAAAbI/oTWeGUqRty0/S140/spikes.jpg

The cold steel one is also pretty awesome, but if you lose it, which happens a lot, its expensive to replace.

Amazon.com: Cold Steel Torpedo Cold Rolled 5150 Steel handle with Black Matte Finish: Sports & Outdoors

Good luck.

[Dean Winchester]

I'm pretty sure its Kouryuu as that's the warrior name of the guy who runs it but it could be Koryu, The website has the words "Bujinkan Koryuu dojo" and "Kouryuu dojo" on the same page describing the dojo so I'm not to sure.

Yeah it's Norm's (Norman Smithers) place.

He's actually a member here.

Edit: Correction I got Norm's students mixed up it's Mr Paul Oldland who runs it now since Norm moved.

[Dean Winchester]

I would think Norman or your teacher at the Dojo would be able to help you out with recomendations for suppliers.

[Kid Moe]

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Amazon.com: Cold Steel Torpedo Cold Rolled 5150 Steel handle with Black Matte Finish: Sports & Outdoors (http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-Torpedo-Rolled-handle/dp/B000BT1G4O/ref=pd_sim_misc_13)



Are there people walking around carrying this stuff? :D

[Chadderz]

Are there people walking around carrying this stuff? :D

You just KNOW some misguided teenagers are carrying them, for there "real life protection". I feel really sorry for them. :(

[Banpen Fugyo]

Are there people walking around carrying this stuff? :D

The bottom two? Probably.

Im sure tons of teenagers want to make-believe they can dissappear in a puff of smoke, too.

[kouryuu]

Yeah it's Norm's (Norman Smithers) place.

He's actually a member here.

Edit: Correction I got Norm's students mixed up it's Mr Paul Oldland who runs it now since Norm moved.

Am still in charge though (allegedly lol)

[kouryuu]

Birchy if we haven't met then i'll be down to Harlow on the 18th December, if you look at my website it will give you info on the Meifu Shinkage Ryu in which i study and have an official KeikoKai here in Huddersfield

[Dean Winchester]

Am still in charge though (allegedly lol)

It's when the n00bs ask who that smelly old bloke in the corner is that you have to worry.

[kouryuu]

It's when the n00bs ask who that smelly old bloke in the corner is that you have to worry.

Uncalled for but very true haha

[poryu]

Secondly, anything from http://www.budoweapons.com/Online%20Catalog/Thrown%20Weapons.htm will be great.



I wouldnt go here, this guy has been taking cash for years and does not deliever one single item, do a search on here and you will find alsorts of info on him

[poryu]

Hi

Possibly the largest collection of authentic shuriken designs, all based on actual items seen or from collections

www.budoya.org/Shuriken/shuriken.html

[Dean Winchester]

Poryu isn't that your site?


I did wonder about Budowepons, I seem to recall there being some threads on e-budo about it a few years back.

[poryu]

Hi

Poryu isn't that your site?

yes it is

[QUOTE=Dean Winchester;1074536316]I did wonder about Budowepons, I seem to recall there being some threads on e-budo about it a few years back.

Unfortunately Ed was in a car crash a few years ago, caused a huge back log of orders and instead of dealing with it he just stopped shipping stuff but continued to accept payment which was not fair. His stuff was pretty good as well. I saw some of his shuriken and I liked them

[Banpen Fugyo]

I wouldnt go here, this guy has been taking cash for years and does not deliever one single item, do a search on here and you will find alsorts of info on him

Ive ordered plenty of times, he's always come through with really nice work.

He is a single guy working out of his house so on occasion a few of my items took longer than I wanted them to, I wont disagree with that.

[Banpen Fugyo]

Oops, well obviously its been a while since I've bought anything so I guess my info is a little outdated.

[poryu]

He is a single guy working out of his house.

Wow single am I you need to let my Mrs know LOL. Migiths top her moaning at me when i want to go out with the guys for a beer

Dont work out of the house I actually do have a proper workshop

LOL:cool:

[poryu]

Oops, well obviously its been a while since I've bought anything so I guess my info is a little outdated.

Yes I think so LOL

But please do have that chat with my Mrs LOL

[Banpen Fugyo]

Yes I think so LOL

But please do have that chat with my Mrs LOL

Oh thats you? Weird, never knew that.

And I meant single as in no helper monkeys, not single like a sad lonely man alone with this weapons. :)

And for some reason I thought you worked outta your house, or shed... or something of that nature. Guess Im just full of bs like usual.

[poryu]

Oh thats you? Weird, never knew that.

And I meant single as in no helper monkeys, not single like a sad lonely man alone with this weapons. :)

And for some reason I thought you worked outta your house, or shed... or something of that nature. Guess Im just full of bs like usual.

HI

I did start off in the house. Didnt go down too well due to the mess. But when I moved there was a brick buliding in the garden which I converted to a nice workshop. No more bitching anymore LOL, all the mess and junk is in there with me in my little private domain. I started doing only senban as a favour to my own students and my friends students and it just grew from there. i think there is about 130 different items on the website now with about another 15 to be added this coming week.

[Banpen Fugyo]

Glad to hear, good luck with it all... Hopefully I can scrounge up some dough and make another order soon.

[Fushigina neko]

I agree, throwing spikes are far more accurate. And easy to make too.

[poryu]

Hi

Not exactly - shaken/shuriken are illegal in the UK

Actually thats not true.
The law was altered the other year to state that if you are a collector, practitioner or re-enacter then you are permitted to own, buy etc

I still maintain throwing knives would be an acceptable substitute even if they are not 100% accurate


They are not 100% exact if you want to throw shuriken. This is a koryu forum for koryu stuff and modern throwing knives is not really koryu is it. They whole concept of studying and throwing shuriken and the same with a throwing knife is slightly different.

I can see your point but If you want to throw shaken then a knife is not going to be good enough.