Is this a simple way of classifying the different races in major countries?

[ronki23]

Intro

I am a British Indian (genetically Indian,officially British,culturally both) who has a keen interest in the orient. After visiting China, I saw how similar they are to the Indians e.g. study-hard,family values, Buddhism, crazy traffic,etc. and both hate to admit it.

Questions

What I wanted to know originally was if South East Asians are half-Indian half-Chinese due to the shape of their eyes but the fact that they also have brown skin. I then read somewhere that the original South East Asians were brown in colour and the Chinese invaders made todays South East Asians look the way they do via settling. I then saw how the Chinese never managed to get into India so the Aryans, Arabs and Persians mixed with the brown people and eventually that became the Indians (hence the reason they looked so different).

I assume it is like the Spanish and Portugese mixing with the Native South Americans or the Whites mixing with the Blacks in the Carribean OR like when the Yemenis and the Blacks made Somalians?

Are Koreans the link between China and Japan from their geography and are Mongolians only found in Mongolia/China?

What about Eurasia? Arabs,Persians and Eurasians are different so are people like Syrians,Turks,Kazakhstians,Tajikistan,Azerbaijan,A rmenia half-Arab, half-white? What about Persians? Apart from religion, are they related to Arabs genetically? Apart from Iran where else are they?

Finally, on a more serious note, if the Taliban was based in Pakistan and moved to Afghanistan and joined with Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda, why is it that Arabs are blacklisted moreso than Persians if a lot of Afghanis are Persian? Not to mention Pakistanis are not Arabic so why do terms like "You dirty Arab" come up?

[holyheadjch]

I don't know about the genetics, but it seems reasonable that where two races live side by side, over time there will be sufficient interbreeding to produce a truly mixed race culture.

[Hannibal]

It certainly happened in Wales......:evil:

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[Old_kyokushin]

Osu,


You would be inspired to check out The Genome Project... Just saying'...


Osu!

[ronki23]

Osu,


You would be inspired to check out The Genome Project... Just saying'...


Osu!

you don't mean?

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I LOVE THOSE GAMES!

[ronki23]

I don't know about the genetics, but it seems reasonable that where two races live side by side, over time there will be sufficient interbreeding to produce a truly mixed race culture.

originally I thought Thais,Cambodians and Laotians were half Chinese,half Indian since they look Chinese but have an Indian culture. Plus they look mixed

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRaR_zItHLQ74JLeD-Pq5DO1ody-M9ZNi_B2JFCPzGoGBdKAwLNyEidIdsbA

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/d74/182/689/resized/kahn-souphanousinphone-meme-generator-repeat-after-me-bobby-hill-not-your-boyfriend-037d5a.jpg

and these are true Sino Indians:

http://www.fazeteen.com/fazeinfo/staff/lorraine1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U9UPjQU1LEk/Sad8tbgHcaI/AAAAAAAAFHI/wfR_tteAB3c/S220/Profile+Picture.jpg

[m1k3jobs]

Its simple, we are all human and our ancestors came from Africa. The rest of it is artificial distinctions from a race perspective. Culture is a whole different thing and there can be huge differences there, even in a single country.

[adouglasmhor]

Its simple, we are all human and our ancestors came from Africa. The rest of it is artificial distinctions from a race perspective. Culture is a whole different thing and there can be huge differences there, even in a single country.

There are medical and genetic conditions which are relevant to research into "race" though.

[WhitePanda]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Neighbor-joining_Tree-2.png

[Kwajman]

The History Channel says we come from Aliens....jus sayin...

[Late for dinner]

You know I have always been fascinated by the artificial distinctions you see here in the UK. People from the Indian sub-continent call themselves Asian but as the chart above shows they have more characteristics that are caucasian than anything else. If a group labels itself something then you get all sorts of funny things happening. You wouldn't see this happening with the Irish or the Turks... so why is a cultural group treated like a different race here in the UK? Artificially making oneself into a different race can't help but cause problems...... you can't be racist against people who are the same colour as yourself as far as I know. Bigoted? Certainly!

The OP asks are the people of South East asia the way they are because of two groups mixing.. well I'm not sure. Certainly when caucasians and other groups mix you get a variety of hues but I'm not convinced it would create something as distinct as the people being discussed. I would think that Filipinos, Thai's, Japanese, Chinese and Koreans are variations much the same way that English, Italian, German and Dutch are regional variations on the same theme. Thoughts?

FWIW

LFD

[Zaad]

The History Channel says we come from Aliens....jus sayin...]

http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg


@RONKI

why do you want to classify race.
I'd say that the concept of race is quite racist (also under my logic, mkl jr. was a huge racist).

Seriously though look up the Human Genome Project.

A black guy (black as black gets) in the USA might look black and claim african american heritage but genetically his race is european because of cross breeding of slaves and slave owners.

There are no boundaries.

AS FOR SOTH-EAST ASIA E.G. THAILAND

It's a long story but on its way to asia the human race split.
Half went north through siberia and down into mongolia then china, becoming people of oriental descent, some of these people also crossed the ice plains that joined asia and american, these people become native americans.
The other half went through the middle east and into india becoming indians and the like.
The vedic empire then conquered down into polynesia but at the same time tribes from china etc moved down into these same areas. These people were then cut off from the vedic empire and chinese tribes becoming there own distinct etnic groups of thai, indonesian etc.

Aboriginals and "black people" of papua are said to have been descended from uninterrupted breeding (no outsiders) of small tribes for a significant period. these tribes could have been ethnic groups close to polynesian descent or in other theories: african lost on fishing trips.

Hawaii and Micronesian islands in the pacific are the result of people island hopping due to tribal wars, ending up with them colonising many areas.

Actually if you look at the plant life of native hawaii and Philippines they are the same. indicating that these two groups of people are from the same ancestry that travelled all the way across the pacific.

Race is impossible to define. Its a continuos spectrum.

If you're from south india would you claim to be more indian than a north indian because you're ancestors were closer related meaning you have less non-coding DNA to differentiate you?

[Zaad]

Do i win an award for the most informative post ever?

[Johnno]

The concept of 'race' as it existed a hundred years ago is outdated, due to the understanding that we now have of genetics, but it's a concept that will take a long time to die away.

I think the reason for this is because we tend to look at the most obvious outward appearances of a person (skin colour, hair colour, etc.) Which is quite natural, really, but can be very misleading if when it comes to catagorising people.

[slipthejab]

How did I miss this train wreck of a thread?

[slipthejab]

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@RONKI

why do you want to classify race.
I'd say that the concept of race is quite racist (also under my logic, mkl jr. was a huge racist).

Seriously though look up the Human Genome Project.

A black guy (black as black gets) in the USA might look black and claim african american heritage but genetically his race is european because of cross breeding of slaves and slave owners.

There are no boundaries.

AS FOR SOTH-EAST ASIA E.G. THAILAND

It's a long story but on its way to asia the human race split.
Half went north through siberia and down into mongolia then china, becoming people of oriental descent, some of these people also crossed the ice plains that joined asia and american, these people become native americans.
The other half went through the middle east and into india becoming indians and the like.
The vedic empire then conquered down into polynesia but at the same time tribes from china etc moved down into these same areas. These people were then cut off from the vedic empire and chinese tribes becoming there own distinct etnic groups of thai, indonesian etc.

Aboriginals and "black people" of papua are said to have been descended from uninterrupted breeding (no outsiders) of small tribes for a significant period. these tribes could have been ethnic groups close to polynesian descent or in other theories: african lost on fishing trips.

Hawaii and Micronesian islands in the pacific are the result of people island hopping due to tribal wars, ending up with them colonising many areas.

Actually if you look at the plant life of native hawaii and Philippines they are the same. indicating that these two groups of people are from the same ancestry that travelled all the way across the pacific.

Race is impossible to define. Its a continuos spectrum.

If you're from south india would you claim to be more indian than a north indian because you're ancestors were closer related meaning you have less non-coding DNA to differentiate you?

Would you mind providing citations to credible sources for this... because it's a mess. Seriously.... :bang:

[Zaad]

Would you mind providing citations to credible sources for this... because it's a mess. Seriously.... :bang:

It's very messy and some parts very wrong.

I was just giving a brief overview to illustrate fact that there is no race.

Except the Human Race

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Human_Journey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Journey_of_Man:_A_Genetic_Odyssey

http://www.becominghuman.org/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0214_030214_genghis.html

I watched a documentary and was basically reciting that!

[ronki23]

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@RONKI

why do you want to classify race.
I'd say that the concept of race is quite racist (also under my logic, mkl jr. was a huge racist).

Seriously though look up the Human Genome Project.

A black guy (black as black gets) in the USA might look black and claim african american heritage but genetically his race is european because of cross breeding of slaves and slave owners.

There are no boundaries.

AS FOR SOTH-EAST ASIA E.G. THAILAND

It's a long story but on its way to asia the human race split.
Half went north through siberia and down into mongolia then china, becoming people of oriental descent, some of these people also crossed the ice plains that joined asia and american, these people become native americans.
The other half went through the middle east and into india becoming indians and the like.
The vedic empire then conquered down into polynesia but at the same time tribes from china etc moved down into these same areas. These people were then cut off from the vedic empire and chinese tribes becoming there own distinct etnic groups of thai, indonesian etc.

Aboriginals and "black people" of papua are said to have been descended from uninterrupted breeding (no outsiders) of small tribes for a significant period. these tribes could have been ethnic groups close to polynesian descent or in other theories: african lost on fishing trips.

Hawaii and Micronesian islands in the pacific are the result of people island hopping due to tribal wars, ending up with them colonising many areas.

Actually if you look at the plant life of native hawaii and Philippines they are the same. indicating that these two groups of people are from the same ancestry that travelled all the way across the pacific.

Race is impossible to define. Its a continuos spectrum.

If you're from south india would you claim to be more indian than a north indian because you're ancestors were closer related meaning you have less non-coding DNA to differentiate you?

Well, I was interested because of the reason I said before, I have an interest in the orient. I come from an Indian background (Gujarati) and a lot of people from my family have a stigma against Chinese people simply because they do not know them. Even after we got to know a few we thought they were sooo different from us due to their diet/appearance. I then heard from my friend (part Chinese) that they're into introductory/arranged marriage as well and from the media, saw the similarities e.g. big on family,work-hard-study-hard and of course, Buddhism coming from India.

Then I saw how they had a war with each other and they (China) sided with Pakistan-a country completely opposite to what Mao wanted (Pakistan preached how religion must be incorporated into the state, how they are better than the rest of the Indo-people),etc.

Also we have Vietnamese friends who are Christian and I was curious as to why Vietnamese people look more yellow than other Asians e.g. Thais,Laotians,Cambodians or even the Chinese themselves.

My first interest was in Japan but going to Japan is extremely expensive hence the reason my attention turned toward the emerging Dragon of China. Plus China has more to see.

EDIT: I also find Chinese/Japanese people have very beautiful girls-not saying any race doesn't but I find oriental women with white skin are GORGEOUS! I also like Hispanic girls and (strangely) Quebecians. Mixed race girls look amazing too!

[Zaad]

Well, I was interested because of the reason I said before, I have an interest in the orient. I come from an Indian background (Gujarati) and a lot of people from my family have a stigma against Chinese people simply because they do not know them. Even after we got to know a few we thought they were sooo different from us due to their diet/appearance. I then heard from my friend (part Chinese) that they're into introductory/arranged marriage as well and from the media, saw the similarities e.g. big on family,work-hard-study-hard and of course, Buddhism coming from India.

Then I saw how they had a war with each other and they (China) sided with Pakistan-a country completely opposite to what Mao wanted (Pakistan preached how religion must be incorporated into the state, how they are better than the rest of the Indo-people),etc.

Also we have Vietnamese friends who are Christian and I was curious as to why Vietnamese people look more yellow than other Asians e.g. Thais,Laotians,Cambodians or even the Chinese themselves.

My first interest was in Japan but going to Japan is extremely expensive hence the reason my attention turned toward the emerging Dragon of China. Plus China has more to see.

EDIT: I also find Chinese/Japanese people have very beautiful girls-not saying any race doesn't but I find oriental women with white skin are GORGEOUS! I also like Hispanic girls and (strangely) Quebecians. Mixed race girls look amazing too!

Your affinity to white skin might be conditioned from your indian heritage.

When i was a kid i had an interest in the far east.

Then i moved there.
Although HK is my favourite place on earth. It's things that have nothing to do with china or the orient that excite me.
I wouldn't touch china with a 10 foot pole - sorry china.

[ronki23]

Your affinity to white skin might be conditioned from your indian heritage.

When i was a kid i had an interest in the far east.

Then i moved there.
Although HK is my favourite place on earth. It's things that have nothing to do with china or the orient that excite me.
I wouldn't touch china with a 10 foot pole - sorry china.

You serious? Whenever I was younger/saw someone with slitty eyes, automatically I thought they were Chinese. Heck, most ignoramus' think that oriental people are either Chinese or Japanese
Anyway, I went to China and had a love/hate relationship with it; Shanghai smells alot/is humid and there are a lot of slums/beggars; Xian was nice and had a lot to see and Beijing had both culture and entertainment. Any reason why you don't like China yet you do like Hong Kong? I wouldn't give up going to China just because its government may not be your cup of tea; I don't see the CCP disbanding anytime soon/i'm not going to not go somewhere just because of the government; nobody else has the Great Wall, Terracotta Soldiers or the Forbidden Palace. Anyway, wouldn't visiting Hong Kong also mean some of that money ends up being reinvested in China as it IS under their control?

[february]

How did I miss this train wreck of a thread?

QFT.

The only thing more misinformed than the original question are some of the responses.

Heck, the title of the thread says it all. "simple". Seriously, to the OP, do some serious reading on the subject rather than asking questions on here and illiciting clueless responses.

[ronki23]

You know I have always been fascinated by the artificial distinctions you see here in the UK. People from the Indian sub-continent call themselves Asian but as the chart above shows they have more characteristics that are caucasian than anything else. If a group labels itself something then you get all sorts of funny things happening. You wouldn't see this happening with the Irish or the Turks... so why is a cultural group treated like a different race here in the UK? Artificially making oneself into a different race can't help but cause problems...... you can't be racist against people who are the same colour as yourself as far as I know. Bigoted? Certainly!

The OP asks are the people of South East asia the way they are because of two groups mixing.. well I'm not sure. Certainly when caucasians and other groups mix you get a variety of hues but I'm not convinced it would create something as distinct as the people being discussed. I would think that Filipinos, Thai's, Japanese, Chinese and Koreans are variations much the same way that English, Italian, German and Dutch are regional variations on the same theme. Thoughts?

FWIW

LFD

Well, as I said, I thought ASEAN people e.g. Thailand,Laos,Cambodia,Malaysia,etc. were half Indian,half Chinese genetically but I read somewhere that like the original Filipinos, India's brown people came from the Australia area and mixed with the Aryans/Arabs/(to a lesser extent) Persians. So is it that the ASEANs are Chinese mixed with the original brown people and the variations of India the brown people mixed with Aryans/Arabs/Persians? I would hardly call Indians caucasian; I think that after a few thousand years they would have 'evolved' into an official race with its own variation; just like Carribean people being Africans and Europeans mixed but being classed as their own race.

Anyway, Nepalese/Burmese/Bhutan people are what I thought Thai/Laotion/Cambodians were like but obviously not.They look similar but there is a difference-they seem to be a tiny bit lighter in colour than Nepalese/Burmese/Bhutanese and their Chinese blood seems more pronounced. Pictures are below-notice how Indians are darker and Chinese are whiter than both; that's why I thought that Indo-China countrymen and SEANs are the same

Indian and Chinese man

http://chindiapedia.org/images/china_india_soldiers.jpg

People from Countries on Indo-China border

http://evisitnepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Nepal_People.jpg

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/bhutan231.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44722000/jpg/_44722104_burma512.jpg

South East Asians

http://www.thailandtraveltours.com/photos/th/P37.jpg

http://www.cambodia.org/blogs/editorials/uploaded_images/Family-that-has-abandoned-village-along-the-Sesan-River-719357.JPG

http://www.lasga.org/wp-content/gallery/soccer/las_soccer_41.jpg

[ronki23]

Apart from these Asians, are Persians descendants of any other race/are they related to Arabs? I originally thought Persians were only in Iran with some in Iraq but I hear some are in Afghanistan/made their way into India and Pakistan. How could a Yemeni ARAB like Osama bin Laden get mass-support for global terrorism from people from different races (the Pakistani and Afghan TALIBAN- I don't see many Arab terrorists in comparison to Taliban/anti-non Muslim Pakistanis). Also, are European Muslims like Turks/ex USSR descendants from Arabs or Persians?

[february]

Flipping heck it's not as simple as mixing watercolours. Stop making up your own theories and do some proper frigging research.

Jesus.

[february]

Apart from these Asians, are Persians descendants of any other race/are they related to Arabs? I originally thought Persians were only in Iran with some in Iraq but I hear some are in Afghanistan/made their way into India and Pakistan. How could a Yemeni ARAB like Osama bin Laden get mass-support for global terrorism from people from different races (the Pakistani and Afghan TALIBAN- I don't see many Arab terrorists in comparison to Taliban/anti-non Muslim Pakistanis). Also, are European Muslims like Turks/ex USSR descendants from Arabs or Persians?

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[Kwajman]

TIME TO CLOSE THE DOOR!!!!

[slipthejab]

I actually feel dumber after reading this thread... is that possible? :p To the OP... you really need to sit down and get to grips with the terms you're using so casually. You are so far off base with what you're talking about it's almost impossible to know where to begin with responding. Seriously... slow down a bit and get back to basics. You're mixing historical terms with modern geographic country boundaries... that's never really going to work is it?

ok... on further read...

You are flat out talking nonsense Ronki... and my guess is you really have no clue other than pics you've seen on the web regarding most of the people you're talking about. I'm looking for reasons to keep this thread open yet failing to find any.

[slipthejab]

OK thread is just too ridiculous to keep open.

RONKI23 please take some time and do some reading and get to grips with the proper terms and issues regarding race. At the moment this thread will only descend into a BBQ of flame-roasting with you as the main course.

Help me to help you my brotha! :hat: