Favourite Weapons

[Andy Murray]

My main external weapon is the staff. One of the main reasons is that it is about the hardest weapon to hurt yourself with.

[Cooler]

I don't know I've managed it a few times. :)

Cooler.

[waya]

I prefer the katana or knives and throwing weapons myself.

Rob

[Andy Murray]

Long range weapons are great too. uzi 9mm anyone?

[Chazz]

*LOL* AM

yeah ya know Smith and Wesson make a good long range one. *LOL*

I like the Kama's and cane the best so far. Sword's are GREAT as well.

-Chazz

[waya]

LOL Long range???
Anything in a .223 or larger will work for me :-)

[Chazz]

*LOL* hehe True Dat.

[waya]

OK, what about close ranged and legal weapons. The cane counts in this but things like Kuboton or other small, pocket sized weapons.

[Chazz]

There isnt too many close weapons that you cary. A spring baton is always a good one though.

[waya]

There is a large variety not widely known.... I had my first experience with "The Duck" recently and it greatly impressed me. Some Saps and Blackjacks are also still legal, as well as some more well known ones. Tasers are becoming legal to carry in some places, although this literally scares me because you may bump into someone on accident now and get zapped for your trouble, which if you have never experienced one it is a very painful experience.

[Chazz]

The thing with tasers is that im afraid that one is end up shocking me for no reason or that if i need it, i wont work. Im more likely to just trust my hands than anything.

-Chazz

[waya]

I'm not a real big fan of them. I have used them, and had them used on me when I was being trained for my job, which let me know they will work, but there are too many variables with them that to me make them possibly unreliable and too dangerous to be publicly accessible.

[Freeform]

Originally posted by waya
OK, what about close ranged and legal weapons. The cane counts in this but things like Kuboton or other small, pocket sized weapons.

I've taught the use of the Kubotan but you have to be careful because over here its illegal to carry a metal one even on your keyring (Oops). Anyway, appraximately 99% off the things you do with one you can do with your fingers and knuckles. And the amount of things you find in a womans hand bag that you can turn into a weapon ;)

Anybody out there actually any good with shaken/shuriken? Everytime I try to practice something like that the cat scream and runs away.

[Chazz]

Yeah just about anything can be a weapon. Keys (knife), rolled up newspaper (baton, for blocking), purfume (mace), Brief case (shield), there are a lot of personal theing that you can use as weapons.

-Chazz

[waya]

I find that even carrying a small address book in an easy to reach pocket helps alot in a confrontation. I found this by accident when I was about 13 and pulled mine out and fliped it at the face of someone trying to start a fight and I got away from them, which considering there were more than one of them and just me that was the smartest thing I could have done. By flipping it at his face underhanded he flinched and jumped away, which gave me more than enough time to make myself look like the invisible man lol.

[Chazz]

*LOL* Interesting. I havent heard that done before.

-Chazz

[Andy Murray]

I've never had to use it as one, but I have practiced using a small 'Maglite' as a Kubotan. They are incredibly tough. I keep mine on my key ring. I can flail with my keys ( just like an address book ), or apply it like a kubotan. Better yet I can flash it about or find things in the dark with it. About 6" and probably about $9, or £15 or so. Makes it harder to lose your keys as well... Oh yes, and its legal!

[Kat]

Hey there I am with the rilfe boys,give me a parker-hale 7.62 sniper rifle anyday.
Concealable stuff,I like a small chain with a padlock at each end,you can swing it,trap with it,wrap around your fist as a knuckle duster,and you can chain your bike up withit.And when the lawyers try to do you for carrying you can say it is a personal item.
I also agree totally with the anything is a weapon theory.One teacher I was with put forward these simple principles to apply to any weapon
Strike with the weapon
Block with the weapon
Strike and Block with your body weapons
Use The Most Appropirate Weapon acording to the situation.

The last one is easier to say then to do ofcause

[Melanie]

I watched the Mummy Returns recently and saw the two ladies using Sai. Does anyone use these? If so, how best are they used? Are there kata with these weapons at all? Which martial art uses these?

Just wondering....

Melanie

[khafra]

Great idea with the address book, unless you just took down the number of the hottest girl you'd ever met or something.
In that event, I'd hope I had a couple judge's pens on me and some bagua expertise.
I've also wanted to learn the 3-section staff for a while, but I know I'd give myself a concussion within 10 seconds of touching one.

[khafra]

Melanie, sai in their most popular form are usually used in karate. Interestingly enough, although they're usually depicted as edged, they're actually metal clubs with hooks.

[waya]

My learning of the Sai was mostly as a blocking, thrusting, and disarming weapon. Personally I didn't like them much but they are very effective.

Rob

[Chazz]

Ive never learned a form with them but i have messed around with them. I do like them but not as well as others. If anyone has a form with them (of any other weapon) that they would like to post please do so. It just might be fun to learn.

-Chazz

[Freeform]

Originally posted by Melanie
I watched the Mummy Returns recently and saw the two ladies using Sai. Does anyone use these? If so, how best are they used? Are there kata with these weapons at all? Which martial art uses these?

Just wondering....

Melanie

These weren't actually Sai (or what we Japanese styles like to call sai) because they were a bladed weapon. Sai are a pointed weapon used for blocking and striking. Most schools train them as for defence again an oponent using a sword. The really dangerous thing about Sai is trying not to impale yourself with them when you come back with hikite :)

[Melanie]

Hahaha - Thanks!

So what were these then?

Do you know which martial art uses them?

Melanie

[Freeform]

Well, I was under the impression that there weren't any bladed sai but Chazz has told me otherwise .Although I thought a bladed Sai or something similar to it is called a Jutte or Jitte (not to be confused with the kata), but these normally only have two prongs (one long, one short) not three.

There are many native Epytian fighting system, most are based around grappling techniques.

[waya]

This is the best I could find so far on the Sai..... still looking for info on the EGyptian version.

Sai- (pronounced sigh) The sai was developed for planting rice or vegetable seeds. It resembles a trident and has central, rounded or octagonal shaped steel blade approximately 16 inches long. On either side of the blade there are two prongs that are wrist guards. Sais can be used for a number of things such as stabbing, slashing, punching, blocking, and even throwing. It is believed that farmers who used the sai would carry three at a time. One sai for each hand and one was kept in the belt to throw if necessary. Legend states a strap of some sort was occasionally tied to the handle so the farmer could retrieve it.

[Freeform]

The third 'throwing Sai' had prongs that pointed in opposite directions to aid in throwing (my Sensei has a set of these). The strategy was apparently to throw it at a oncoming horseman and either finish him with one strike, or more often than not, pul him off his horse with the attached cord (when the spikey ends stuck in him). Move to close range and dispatch him with the other two Sai.

[Chazz]

Is there a ancient Epytian sai. Everywhere that i looks talks about asian sai's.

The bladed version on the sai might have been a Jutte or Jitte. I dunno.

-Chazz

[hung fut mak]

Getting back to legal weapons as you said chazz anything can be used as a weapon my fav is an umbrella with a hook handle can be very effective, when i was in hong kong you could pick one up in every shop so its no wonder that it has become a well used weapon in many kung fu styles, it is very similar in technique to a cane or walking stick.
another legal weapon to have is change in your pocket very effective if thrown in your attackers face even if it distracts them enough for you to land a strike that is if you dont mind loosing a few pounds .PS Khafra if you want to learn how to use a sam ge kwan [three section staff] get a good instructor as i have been using one for years and it is my fav weapon because it can be so much fun, but sometimes i still catch myself with it, not that often any more just when learning something new with it but thats half the battle and it builds up your conditioning whether you like it or not.

[pesilat]

One of my favorites, as an avid reader, is a book :-)

Also, I love flexible weapons because they're nearly always available (the clothes I'm wearing or the clothes my attacker is wearing or anything flexible that comes to hand).

Mike

[Andy Murray]

I have seen some grappling styles using the GI as a weapon!
Is training using your own clothes something you feel to be worth pursuit?

Now where did I put that Suspender Belt?

[Freeform]

I've used my own Gi as a weapon in training and would suggest to others to try it as well, they can be used to get more leverage when grappling and trying to throw an opponent (bl**dy tricky though!).

Oh yeah, you can also strangle people with your belt.

Freeform

[pesilat]

Andy Murray wrote:
I have seen some grappling styles using the GI as a weapon!
Is training using your own clothes something you feel to be worth pursuit?


Personally, I think so. But I don't stop at my own clothes. I'll use their clothes or anything else flexible I can get my hands on. This means that if I get attacked fresh out of the shower in my bathroom then I can use my attacker's clothes, or he shower curtain, or a towel (all within easy reach) ... and that's not even getting into things like the shampoo bottle or the bar of soap (which, tossed into a washrag can be used *really* nicely).


Freeform wrote:
I've used my own Gi as a weapon in training and would suggest to others to try it as well, they can be used to get more leverage when grappling and trying to throw an opponent (bl**dy tricky though!).

Oh yeah, you can also strangle people with your belt.


Yes, but you can also use, for instance, a person's shirt sleeve or his shirt tail or jacket (or your shirt tail or jacket while wearing it) to trap his arm to hit him or throw him. You can use his clothes to pin a limb to the floor or wall.

There are many ways the clothes (yours or his) can be used both to choke him or to tie him up.

Mike

[Andy Murray]

Pesilat.......I gotta say; If you consider defending yourself with a bar of soap, then I aint coming near you. You scare me on paper.

And I know you don't mean washing your attackers mouth out either!

Lol

[pesilat]

LOL :-)

So you'd be terrified to hear about using a plastic grocery bag with a pint of ice cream (or maybe some candy bars) in it :-)

Mike

[waya]

Remind me to stay out of Wal-Mart and public restrooms now lol

I think stressing using the things in your own environment for weapons, such as Mike has talked about, is really the key to training with weapons at all. Every technique learned with a traditional weapon can be adapted to something within 3 feet of you right now. Some things that wouldn't even click at all would be really effective such as computer cables, CD's for software (have someone throw one at you sometime and hit the face or neck lol)and if it comes down to it, throw the printer or monitor lol.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
Remind me to stay out of Wal-Mart and public restrooms now lol

I think stressing using the things in your own environment for weapons, such as Mike has talked about, is really the key to training with weapons at all. Every technique learned with a traditional weapon can be adapted to something within 3 feet of you right now. Some things that wouldn't even click at all would be really effective such as computer cables, CD's for software (have someone throw one at you sometime and hit the face or neck lol)and if it comes down to it, throw the printer or monitor lol.

Rob

Absolutely. "Wargaming" is a good way to raise awareness of this. At random points during the day, look around and see what you might be able to use in a fight, either as a weapon or a distraction. Try to think of different ways the various items can be used.

There really are a plethora of weapons available to us at any given moment in our day to day lives.

Mike

[waya]

Wargaming is one of the best ways to keep your mind sharp. I tend to do it even walking down the street, just to keep myself as prepared to react as possible if anything should ever happen.

Rob

[Andy Murray]

Anyone into Balisong?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Anyone into Balisong?

Since the Balisong is a Filipino weapon, my FMA instructor required me to learn some of the basics of it for my black belt test. I wouldn't say I'm "into" the balisong ... but I have some knowledge about it :-)

Mike

[Andy Murray]

I only ever saw a video about Balisong a long time ago. Paul Vunak or Cunak I think! Is the Balisong used only as a knife, or does the 'multi-state' aspect of it have bearing on it's application?

It looked like a good way of losing fingers!

I bet you must have hurt yourself with some really unusual objects Mike!

Andy M

[waya]

I have an interest in them as I do with any bladed weapon, but never worked with them.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
I only ever saw a video about Balisong a long time ago. Paul Vunak or Cunak I think! Is the Balisong used only as a knife, or does the 'multi-state' aspect of it have bearing on it's application?

That would be "Vunak" :) I haven't seen his Balisong vid but that's his name.

Yes, the "multi-state" aspect has bearing on its use. When closed, it is used like a pocket stick for striking and locking. There are also some interesting pain compliance things that can be done by "pinching" with the handles.

It looked like a good way of losing fingers!

LOL ... yes, it is that :) People who are really good with it, though, are scary. They can open it faster than most people can open a "combat folder" ... and they can open it from virtually any draw with either hand and either hammer grip or icepick grip. That's what all the fancy opening methods are for ... to build coordination for usage and learn how to open it quickly from a variety of positions.

I bet you must have hurt yourself with some really unusual objects Mike!

Andy M

LOL ... yes. I'm the only person I know with a couple of scars on my arm from a battle axe :)

Yeah, I've got a couple of interesting stories ... unfortunately, most of them also involve my own stupidity. Fortunately I think I've matured some and gotten smarter by learning from those mistakes. I haven't scarred myself through stupidity in several years.

However, the occasional bruise/ding/divit still comes from training.

Back to the balisong, specifically. Most people, when first learning, tape the blade (run a strip of electrical tape along the edge and over the point) to minimize the potential danger involved :-)

Mike

[waya]

Mike you should meet my best friend, he took two of my fingers off with a naginata LOL and one of his own with a balisong when he had no idea how to open it LOL

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
Mike you should meet my best friend, he took two of my fingers off with a naginata LOL and one of his own with a balisong when he had no idea how to open it LOL

Whew ... I've not taken any appendages off. The closest I came was one layer away from the bone of my left index finger while playing with a new knife ... while driving down the interstate in a rented car (this is one of those stupidity things I was talking about :)

And the blade wasn't even a balisong, it was a Spyderco Endura.

I got home and told my wife, "I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that I got my new knife ... and that it's incredibly sharp. The bad news is how much the 9 stitches cost.

Later, Mike

[waya]

hahaha and you are still breathing?

I was on the phone when he swung the naginata at my head, and all I had was a 3ft Native American lance I had on the table.... not good odds lol.

I will never understand him anyway.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
hahaha and you are still breathing?

LOL ... yeah, I've got a great wife. She just sighed and shook her head.

Mike

[Andy Murray]

A guy I used to train with was practicing disarms with a Live Blade. the knife in question was a large heavy 'Rambo' style knife I only ever use for scaring Students with. Said disarm went well until the knife fell point first and pinned the poor chaps 'bare' foot to the floor!

Another guy got a similar knife through his bicep at a Black Belt Grading!

I don't teach knife work, I'll leave that to the experts like Mike.

One thing I do though is;

Get the students to bring in an old light coloured T shirt. I then issue them with a variety of colours of indelible Marker pens. They just lay into each other with the Markers. It's great fun, and it gets the point across, as it takes a couple of days to get the marks off your skin.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
A guy I used to train with was practicing disarms with a Live Blade. the knife in question was a large heavy 'Rambo' style knife I only ever use for scaring Students with. Said disarm went well until the knife fell point first and pinned the poor chaps 'bare' foot to the floor!

Yup. That's why when we train disarms we train to shoot them back toward the attacker, well out of the way, or to keep the weapon for ourselves. There's still the "Murphy Factor" of course ... but if you train to try to instill these options then they are the most likely to come out ... you fight as you train :-)

We also like to "return to sender" ... stick the blade in the guy while he's still holding it. Disarms are difficult on small blades (as are most commonly encountered in reality) so we especially prefer the "return" method with smaller blades.


I don't teach knife work, I'll leave that to the experts like Mike.


LOL ... I'm far from an expert :-)

One thing I do though is;

Get the students to bring in an old light coloured T shirt. I then issue them with a variety of colours of indelible Marker pens. They just lay into each other with the Markers. It's great fun, and it gets the point across, as it takes a couple of days to get the marks off your skin.

Yup ... we use this method too. People don't expect to enter a fist fight and not get hit. You can't expect to enter a knife fight and not get cut. The trick is to minimize the lethality of the cuts you do take while also finishing the guy before he gets a good cut in. This is what our training attempts to maximize the chances of doing. Of course, it's possible to finish the fight before taking a cut ... but the odds are against it.

But ... getting "cut" isn't necessarily injurious. If you're wearing a winter coat then there's a chance that any cuts you take to the arms or body won't get to your skin. Stabs are a whole different breed of course :-)

Mike

[waya]

In my opinion, knives are the worst weapon to face, and the most painfull. Punches, clubs, chains etc I can deal with, but grab a knife and I go a little stupid. Too many times I got the wrong end of that business.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
In my opinion, knives are the worst weapon to face, and the most painfull. Punches, clubs, chains etc I can deal with, but grab a knife and I go a little stupid. Too many times I got the wrong end of that business.

Rob

I would agree completely with that.

The only time I've ever faced a knife for real, I managed to talk him into putting it away without having to fight him.

Mike

[waya]

I was too young and stupid to try, now I have two really pretty scars horizontally on my left cheek from a razor knife...... taught me a good lesson.

[Andy Murray]

Which deserves the greater retribution. The guy going about wth a razor, with the intention of disfiguring someone, or the guy who potentially kills someone in a fit of temper?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Which deserves the greater retribution. The guy going about wth a razor, with the intention of disfiguring someone, or the guy who potentially kills someone in a fit of temper?

I think they're equally deserving but for different reasons.

Mike

[NAVSealUS]

I have little experience with weapons outside of gloves, (boxing) but of the few weapons ive worked with, ive seen the shuriken to be the most FUN of them all. Staffs are okay so long as you dont manage to hit yourself in the head. I also found that too hurts.

Navsealus

[Tseek Choi]

I didn't know it was illegal to carry a metal Kubotan. Oh dear, now where are my car keys........

[Freeform]

I had to remember to take my kubotan off of my key ring before I got on a plane the other day. Could have gotten myself into a bit of bother!

Thanx

[Mike O'Leary]

Back to the subject of Sai...

Sai were never used to plant rice.. they were developed as a enforcement weapon by the military and police in Okinawa and Japan in the last 200 years. They were never meant to be a blad.. they are a "truncheon" weapon or clubbing weapon.. the modern day Japanese police use a derivative of this with one prong hook...

There are lots of sai kata. The most prolific in the Kobudo styles of Okinawa being Chatan Yara no sai and Shikenchitohaku no sai. They are derrivatives of Taira Shinken's Ryu Kyu Kobudo.

Of course there is Matsu Higa and Hama Higa no sai katas and there are often Long and short version.. (aka.. sho and dai respectivly)

There is at least one sai kata per style of kobudo and most often more. I have studied up to 5 sai kata already and only touched the surface.

My favorite weapon is the Eku, or the oar. I only know 2 kata but they are very interesting and well laid out.

I guess the question is what is your favorite weapon and for what reason. In the street ill take a knife any day to use and in the dojo I prefer bo or eku... tekko are fun... highly illegal but fun hahahah they are basiclly a brass knuckle.

mike

[Andrew Green]

Originally posted by Mike O'Leary
Back to the subject of Sai...

Sai were never used to plant rice.. they were developed as a enforcement weapon by the military and police in Okinawa and Japan in the last 200 years.


Sai have been around longer then the first time the Okinawans started using them, different names, same weapon. In Indonesia, for example, they are often called tjabang.


They were never meant to be a blad.. they are a "truncheon" weapon or clubbing weapon..


Sure they where, and also not. I've seen pictures of old weapons that look exactly like sai except the center prong is bladed. Ever notice the similarity between sai and Butterfly knives? Although I will grant that Okinawan sai are primarily not sharp, but they still are good for poking into things...


the modern day Japanese police use a derivative of this with one prong hook...


I didn't think police used jitte anymore...

Favorite weapon for what purpose?

I like the C-7 (M-16 for any non-Canadians) but I don't think thats what you mean, plus I'm not allowed to have one anymore :( and the Machine guns are even more fun, but I don't think thats what you mean...

I guess tonfa would probably be up there, sansetsu kun is fun but hard to spar with, If I really wanted to go at it I'd proably go Tinabae/rochin (Small shield/short spear or machete)

Although tekko are fun (Challenging) to spar with when the other guy has a bo, or anything else, eku feels nice and looks nice in kata but I don't like fighting with them much...

Oh well I can't choose a favorite, I'm playing with all I can find :D

[Joseki]

The weapon i like best is the kubotan and i would use it if needed(i made up a custom one and its like and mini set of nunchakus) other ones are the knife (but i would not use it) the type i like is the fan knife (balasong i no i have spelled it wrong)

[Pablo]

The Japanese police have used a keibo (springloaded collapsible baton), which is available in a model that include a jitte like hook.

There seems to be a lot of confusion/overlap between jitte, sai, iron ruler, etc.

Too bad they didn't keep better records when they originated these things.
:D

paul

[Andy Murray]

I have only heard of these, never actually seen them.
Apparently two small lengths of wood, attached at one end. These are then wrapped around the wrist like a nutcracker and squeezed to inflict painful compliance. Anyone heard of these?

[Greyghost]

Don't know what there called andy...but i believe my wife has a pair......

[Melanie]

Hmmm - thanks for imparting such useful information Greyghost...perhaps a little too much information. Back to weapons I think :)

[Freeform]

I was taught them under the name ShangHi handcuffs, they are exactly as Andy describes them, they look a bit like mini Nunchaca. Everything you can do with a kubotan you can do with these, plus you can crush things (ooh err..) like wrists, fingers. The 'handcuff' bit is because they were used as a compliance tool. The officer would bang it on your wrist, squeeze, cause lots of pain and say 'come with me or I'll break your wrist' (oh, the good old days).

For favorite weapon mine would have to be my car cause I've been told I'm lethal with it :) .
Okay, a switchblade, asp batton or tonfa would have to be my choices.

Thanx

[SaiMaster]

Thanks Mike for helping to dispell some of the myth of the sai as being used to plant rice. There is far too much myth about the sai around.

[Kendo_Cougar]

I like Kendo Weapons, the big stick weapon. oww, i got hit by head, that gives me headache spmetimes. but i like kendo Weapons... its cool!

[STASH]

L0L, all these weapons are great but I belive that nothing can beat the good old aluminum baseball bat or a police baton.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by STASH
L0L, all these weapons are great but I belive that nothing can beat the good old aluminum baseball bat or a police baton.

The best weapon is the one you have at hand when the feces hits the fan ... period.

Mike

[STASH]

I didnt mean the best as in the best for everyone, just the best for me...

[pesilat]

Originally posted by STASH
I didnt mean the best as in the best for everyone, just the best for me...

Yup ... but that assumes you *always* have an aluminum baseball bat or a tactical baton on hand (and I'm not saying you don't ... if you do, very cool :-)

Mike

[Andy Murray]

A question for you weapons people.............?

What weapon is best ( Rope, Stick, Blade etc. ) to start with in learning how to apply an object in defense?

Andy

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
A question for you weapons people.............?

What weapon is best ( Rope, Stick, Blade etc. ) to start with in learning how to apply an object in defense?

Andy

I like the stick for initial training purposes because it so readily translates to so many other common weapons that are often available or can be improvised.

Mike

[Freeform]

My best weapon is my mind... honest.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Freeform
My best weapon is my mind... honest.

Of course ... but the mind should get trained as a weapon regardless :-)

And, for those of us who can't rely on our minds as a weapon, it's nice to have a back up plan ;-)

Mike

[LilBunnyRabbit]

For defense the blade isn't really a defensive weapon, certainly not short blades, its mainly offensive.

[waya]

OK, after playing with one a few times, and having one "demonstrated" on me briefly by Papa-san, I have to say I am in love with the Duck lol

Rob

[khafra]

Originally posted by Freeform
My best weapon is my mind... honest.

I find I can use my head very effectively too, but there are times when a blunt weapon isn't called for, when a sharp one would work better. Then I use one of my friends' heads.

[Darzeka]

I haven't actually been taught any weapons yet but that hasn't stopped me from playing around with large sticks and my keyring.

I feel that weapons are over rated a great deal but the unexpected ones are the best.

The weapon I am most looking forward to learning is the
Manriki-Gusari - two lead balls on either end of a 50-70 cm chain.
This can be concealed in the hand and the momentum that can be generated is phenomenal. My keyring now resembles a short version of these and with all the sharp edges can cause some pretty painful cuts. I haven't hit myself with it for a while but then I get cocky and try something stupid and loose some more skin.

Another fun weapon I have played with is the glow stick ;)

I love raves and when I get my glow sticks I tied some cord to them and swing them around in arcs of colour that just look awesome. He He you could mesmerize your opponent then crack him on the head a few times.

[pesilat]

I feel that weapons are over rated a great deal but the unexpected ones are the best.

Interesting statement ... care to elaborate?

Mike

[waya]

Being a smoker, I also think that the cigarette is an excellent weapon and distraction

[Freeform]

Tsk, tsk, and I thought you were a serious healthy MA ;)

But yeah I've been stubbed by fags (oops, that should read cigarette for our American friends) and it hurts like hell (and ruins a perfectly good shirt too).

Thanx

[waya]

The best part is if faced with multiple attackers, you flick the cigarette into one of their eyes and attack. It definitely takes them by suprise lol

Rob

[Darzeka]

My comment about weapons being overated comes from intent i think and my closemindedness about a "weapon" being something that will be used to try to hurt me a great deal (knife, baton, big stick, glass bottle, etc). I see the point people make of using cigarettes as weapons but they seem to be something else entirely to me - mabye an aid to fighting or indirect weapons.

If you intend to kill/maim/disfigure someone then weapons are probably just the thing but I was thinking in my situation where I go out to clubs alot. If I get into a fight there my intent will not be to kill the person but to stop them from doing anything to me, unless they go for a knife or some broken glass, then they get a broken wrist and elbow.
But there again is intent, of the other person, if they pull a knife then they are either trying to scare you off or cut you. And you also have to look at consequences. If I pull a weapon then i will more than likely do lots of damage to the person and go to jail but if I just slap him a couple of time then put him in a lock then nothing will happen.

Then there is the thing that if someone goes for a weapon then they more than likely will not use it. Most people don't really want to hurt people that badly and the ones that do will hide the knife and stab you in the back.

If someone gets a weapon, unless they are already holding it or have it on their person then there is a fraction of a second where they are intent on getting the weapon and not defending an attack from you, so if you see someone going for a weapon you jump on them and put them on the ground.

For the most part people who grab weapons first won't have much training in them and so the attacks will be sloppy and telegraphed, which makes them easier to block. the majority of people who have had martial arts training will more than likely keep a cool head and not go for a weapon first, unless facing more than one person.

As for the enexpected ones I like my money pouch for work - I am a pizza delivery boy - which is a leather pencil case. When this has some coins in it, it resembles nothing so much as a blackjack, so anyone who tries to steal my money from me on the job will get the money to the temple. I like the ideas of flicking cigarettes at people but I don't smoke and I have been watching the burning cherries since my favorite shirt got a hole burnt in it. The has become one of the things I check when walking through clubs now - if someone I'm walking past has a cigarette.

I fell that in most situations I could do just as well with my hands and feet as with a weapon, just my opinion though.

[pesilat]

Whew ... a lot of very valid points, Darzeka.

I think, then, the difference between us is, largely, in your definition of weapon :-)

To me, your money bag is every bit as much a weapon as a knife.

I'm a big fan of improvised weapons ... but training with weapons is useful even for this ... coordination is coordination. Training with weapons can help your empty hands too (and vice versa).

But, given the opportunity, I would *always* grab a weapon for the very simple reason that weapons don't bleed or feel pain ... and can therefore save me some blood or pain.

Your comments about intent are very good. But intent with a weapon can be everything from pain compliance to non-injurious striking to injurious striking to lethal. A weapon can is just as versatile as empty hands ... but it doesn't bleed or feel pain.

If, for instance, a guy takes a swing at me and I slap him in the side of the head with a McDonalds tray (the flat, not the edge), I'm not very likely to inflict serious damage ... but it will definitely ring his bell. Same with my drink ... a paper cup won't do much damage but the soda in his face will be a distraction and the force of the shot (mostly from my hand on the other side of the cup) will ring his bell.

A glass bottle can be used to augment joint locks or to strike non-severe targets (i.e.: stabbing him in the chest with the bottom of the bottle isn't likely to do serious damage ... but it will hurt at least as much as me punching him ... without risking my hand to things like getting cut on his jacket zipper or his necklace).

Flexible weapons such as the clothes that he or I are wearing are almost always available and *incredibly* useful ... but require some training to actually be able to apply.

On the flip side, your comments about people pulling weapons on you are good too. Yes, 9 out of 10 times, if I see the weapon, the guy isn't really intent on injuring/killing me. But ... what about that 10th time? And what about when I don't see the weapon before he attacks ... but something goes awry with the attack and I'm still in the fight ... and I know I'm facing an armed assailant. Maybe his knife hits the wallet in my jacket pocket when he stabs me. Maybe he hits too low and it hits my belt or buckle. Maybe he just misses.

The *only* defense against getting blindsided is awareness ... but *if* a situation arises where a guy is armed and intent on hurting me, my odds are increased a lot if I've trained with and against weapons. And my odds increase even more if I can get my hands on something to use as a weapon.

I do see your points ... and you have several very good ones. But, personally, I think you're overlooking some aspects of weapons training that are valuable.

To me, weapons and empty hands training go hand in hand ... of course, that's probably a bias from my background in Filipino martial arts coming out :-)

Mike

[Darzeka]

This post has just reminded me about how closed my thinking still is - the more we learn the more we know we don't know hehe. Thanks for setting me straight.

I think its mainly because of what I think of about weapons that I don't think of looking for an aid in fighting not made of my body.

I shall try in future to open up my thought process. Damn, and I thought I was already pretty open, oh well.

And on the clothes as weapons, yeah they work. Got choked out with my Gi on Friday night. After a fifteen minute ground wrestling session with a guy who's been training for like 3 years or something ( I've been doing it for 4 months ) I was shattered. Still had great fun though, nearly got Gi choke on him as well LOL. Was a fun introduction to wrestling.

Back to the topic of weapons - I went to a nightclub on Firday night after training and they scanned me with a metal detector then asked to see my keys. We have been having some trouble over here (west OZ) with fighting in pubs and clubs (many gang related) but when he checked my keyring he was obviously looking for a weapon ATTACHED to the chain, not the chain itself - silly bouncer. and I like the idea of the mini mag lite on the end of it - not sure if it will pass "weapon" checks.

Thanks again Pesilat

its good to finally find a forum where people will question a post then discuss differences rather than the "your a stupid retard head for a saying that and your can go and live in your little world without my sage advice" type postings

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Darzeka
Thanks again Pesilat

its good to finally find a forum where people will question a post then discuss differences rather than the "your a stupid retard head for a saying that and your can go and live in your little world without my sage advice" type postings

LOL ... Not a problem. Glad I could help :-)

The people who would say something like you alluded to there, are small-minded and petty ... and their own development will, at some point, be stunted because of it.

I see internet discussion boards like public "think tanks." I know that there's a lot of stuff I don't know ... no one has all the answers. But the great thing about discussion boards like this is that they bring together a bunch of people with a common interest ... so, usually, there's *someone* in the group who has an answer.

If I have an answer for something (or think I have an answer) I contribute it. If someone disagrees then we discuss it and, generally, we *both* come away from the discussion with a new perspective on the subject. It may or may not change either of our minds ... but it will have made us think about it and really analyze it (you have to analyze it in order to discuss it out here where the *only* medium is the written word). By doing this, even if we both just agree to disagree, we each explore our reasons for our opinions which will solidify our opinion and our understanding of it ... while also cluing us into the perspectives of others.

If one side or the other does make a compelling argument that causes the other side to change or modify their way of thinking ... then great.

What I find, though, more often than not, isn't that *other* people change my way of thinking. Rather, through the discussion and analysis of my own opinion, I find the hole in my reasoning.

I see these discussion groups as just an intellectual extension of my physical training.

And, as in the physical training, if everyone isn't cooperative (even in disagreement), then the training is bogged down ... or completely stagnated. That's just a waste of everyone's time and effort.

I'm on *a lot* of discussion groups. This is definitely one of the best when it comes to logical, reasoned discussions with no petty bickering or friction (or at least, none that I've seen yet).

Mike

[Andy Murray]

Once again Mike, that is absolutely bang on!

In fact if we ever get Martial Arts Planet T' shirts printed, that should be om the back!

With you permission of course. ;)

[Cooler]

Mike will you be my PR manager :D

Cooler

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Once again Mike, that is absolutely bang on!

In fact if we ever get Martial Arts Planet T' shirts printed, that should be om the back!

With you permission of course. ;)

Permission granted ... though (if you mean the entire post) that'd be *a lot* of text for the back of a shirt :-)

Later, Mike

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Cooler
Mike will you be my PR manager :D

Cooler

LOL ... well, actually, you'll be happy to know that this site is listed in the "Recommended Resources" in a martial arts book I've written.

The book is written but I have to take some photos for a couple of the more technical sections. I'm hoping to get that done by the end of June and then I'll start contact publishers.

An excerpt from the book is posted at http://www.guild-hall.com/writings

There are a couple of short stories that I've written (as yet unpublished) there also. Feel free to check it out and provide feedback :-)

Later, Mike

[waya]

Mike,
When you get your writings published, can you let me know? I would definitely enjoy reading more.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
Mike,
When you get your writings published, can you let me know? I would definitely enjoy reading more.

Rob

Will do :-) I'm sure that I'll be like a new father when it gets published ... I'll be passing out cigars to strangers and saying, "Look, look ... this is a picture of my book when I got the first copy ... and this is a picture of my book sitting on a shelf ... " :-)

I'm not sure how long it will take to get it published or, even if a publisher is interested immediately, how long the publishing process actully takes (since this is my first foray into the jungle of book publishing).

I am sure that it *will* get published ... hell or high water. Joe Lansdale is my Shen Chuan instructor and kind of my mentor in writing ... he's an award-winning author with a *bunch* of novels and short stories and other things floating around on Amazon.com and in bookstores. Along with his writing, he's been training in MA for 40 years. I gave him a copy of the manuscript on Tuesday night in class. On Wednesday morning at 8:30 AM, he called me. He'd read the book the night before and re-read half of it that morning. In his words: "This is one of the best martial arts books I've read in a long time. You should have no problem getting this published. And if you can't get it published, self-publish it ... it deserves to be published." He was gracious enough to write a foreword for it and I was completely blown away :-)

So, one way or another, it *will* get published ... I just don't know how long it will take to make that a reality :-)

As for my other writings, "One Ting I Know" is currently in a contest. If it wins, I'll get $1200 and, more importantly, it'll get published in a literary magazine ("Glimmer Train"). I'll find out on or around July 1st if it wins.

Aside from that, I'm currently working on another story (which may become a book ... it just keeps getting longer and longer) which has some tie ins to Arthurian legends (though it's a bit of a departure from the classic legends). It's set in modern times and the main character, a former cop, now a bartender and Filipino martial arts instructor, is a descendant of King Arthur and has to fight Medraut who has escaped the magical prison that Myrddin placed him in after the battle of Camlann where Medraut killed Arthur (like I say ... it ties into the legends but is also a departure from them).

Later, Mike

[waya]

Mike,
You keep writing like that and you'll be ranked with Terry Goodkind and Terry Brooks lol.

I have read some of Joe Lansdale's books and loved them. If he liked it that much then publishing shouldn't be any problem at all (although publishers are as bad as movie critics sometimes). Either way I have a box of cigars ready to light lol.

Rob

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
Mike,
You keep writing like that and you'll be ranked with Terry Goodkind and Terry Brooks lol.

I have read some of Joe Lansdale's books and loved them. If he liked it that much then publishing shouldn't be any problem at all (although publishers are as bad as movie critics sometimes). Either way I have a box of cigars ready to light lol.

Rob

Wow ... thanks, Rob. Terry Goodkind is one of my favorite authors and Terry Brooks is incredibly good too.

Yeah ... Joe's books aren't for everyone ... they tend to be a bit brutal (for lack of a better word :-) Out of curiosity, what have you read by him?

My favorite stuff by him are the Hap and Leonard books ... especially "Mucho Mojo", "Two Bear Mambo", and "Captains Outrageous" ... but I like all of them that I've read. I also like a lot of his short stories. I loved "Zeppelins West" (an alternative history that brings Buffalo Bill, Annie Oakley, Wild Bill Hickock, Sitting Bull together with Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, Captain Nemo ... all together on Dr. Moreau's island [though some of the names have been changed to protect the not-so-innocent :-)

I've liked everything I've read by Joe.

But, I think that, to date, my favorite Lansdale book is "The Bottoms" ... I couldn't put it down and when I finished, I was ticked because, even though the story had been told, I wasn't ready to leave that world and the characters yet.

And, if I didn't make this clear in my previous post (and in case you weren't already aware of it), on top of being a very good writer, Joe is a [b]very good martial artist.

Later, Mike

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Couple of notes on publishing. Generally after the manuscript is accepted it'll take anything from around eighteen months to two or three years to get published. Whatever you do, do not go to a vanity publisher. That's almost any publisher who requires you to put a contribution towards the costs down, and they'll generally offer what seems like a ridiculous percentage. Hardly any book shops will keep vanity published books in stock.

If you haven't got one already, and you're still looking for publishers, try the Writer's Handbook, it lists loads of them, types of manuscript they publish, submissions they'll accept, and how to submit to them.

Finally, when you do get it published if you go on signings or promotional tours then the most important people to be nice to are the bookshop staff. Buy them drinks, be polite, friendly, and so on. Not many people appreciate how much power we can have over book sales.

Incidentally, any chance that I could get a signed first edition copy?

Doesn't Joe Lansdale have a new book, came out in April? Bad Chili I think its called, might be that its only just been published over here though.

Oh, and see if you can get him to recommend you to his publisher, might be that Orion don't publish that type of book but if they do then a recommendation is always good.

[waya]

Mike,
Terry Goodkind is also my favorite author, I have all his work with the exception of the newest book that isn't in paperback yet. I also have all of Terry Brooks' Shannarra series as well as the Landover series. Both excellent authors.

I believe the books I read by Joe Lansdale were Texas Night Riders (which I didn't know was him until recently) and the Borderlands series (if I have the author correct) that a friend of mine had a copy of. I have been looking around here for more by him but noone has anything. Our bookstore is a PITA though because everything I want they have to order. And god forbid you ask for anything that has an Asian name involved, then they really get confused lol.

Rob

[Cooler]

Mike put me down for a signed first edition aswell, cheers. :)

Also if you feel like writing more articles for the site please feel free....hint...hint. ;)

Cooler

[pesilat]

Originally posted by ckdstudent
Couple of notes on publishing. Generally after the manuscript is accepted it'll take anything from around eighteen months to two or three years to get published. Whatever you do, do not go to a vanity publisher. That's almost any publisher who requires you to put a contribution towards the costs down, and they'll generally offer what seems like a ridiculous percentage. Hardly any book shops will keep vanity published books in stock.

If you haven't got one already, and you're still looking for publishers, try the Writer's Handbook, it lists loads of them, types of manuscript they publish, submissions they'll accept, and how to submit to them.

Wow. Thanks for the tips :-) I've actually got several publishers already selected (at least for initial contact). I went to Amazon.com and found books in the similar vein of what I've done and looked at the publishers for them. My first three choices are Tuttle, Shambhala, and Via Media because I know they have good reputations in the MA publishing world.

There are a few others that I would try if one of those doesn't pick it up.

Failing that, then I'll pick up the Writer's Handbook and/or Writer's Market. I'm really hoping to get it picked up by one of those first three.

Yes, I'm aware of the vanity publishers and will avoid them. Another that I'll avoid is Paladin Press. While they do publish MA books ... and have published some good ones ... they also publish a lot of other things that are, shall we say, less morally balanced :-) I know a lot of people won't order anything from Paladin because the government (US, anyway) watches the people who purchase from Paladin. Of course, purchasing MA material from them isn't likely to raise any flags (though, since 9/11, purchasing knife vids or books may). Also, Paladin doesn't make their stuff available on Amazon or (I think) bookstores in general. The only place, aside from direct from Paladin, that I've ever seen Paladin materials is at gun & knife shows.

Anyway ... those are the ones I'm going to avoid ... and, like I say, I really hope that one of my first three choices picks it up because I *know* they are respected sources in the MA community.

Finally, when you do get it published if you go on signings or promotional tours then the most important people to be nice to are the bookshop staff. Buy them drinks, be polite, friendly, and so on. Not many people appreciate how much power we can have over book sales.

LOL ... well, that's in my nature anyway so I'm not too worried about it ... but thanks for the heads up ... always appreciated :-) Of course, doing a book signing seems (at this point) a little like a pie in the sky ;-)

Incidentally, any chance that I could get a signed first edition copy?

Well ... I don't really know. Obviously, my first priority on that is to my close friends and family who will lynch me if they don't get it.

What I *can* promise, though, is that I will gladly sign a copy for anyone who brings me one to sign (I'll likely blush like a virgin after prom while doing so ... but I'll sign it ;-)

Doesn't Joe Lansdale have a new book, came out in April? Bad Chili I think its called, might be that its only just been published over here though.

Bad Chili isn't his most recent. His most recent (that I'm aware of) is "The Bottoms" (it won the Anthony award last year). His most recent Hap and Leonard book is "Captains Outrageous" (Bad Chili is a Hap and Leonard also).

Oh, and see if you can get him to recommend you to his publisher, might be that Orion don't publish that type of book but if they do then a recommendation is always good.

That's a thought ... but I doubt they publish MA books ... I would imagine that he'd have already mentioned it if he thought they would.

Regards, Mike

[pesilat]

Originally posted by waya
Mike,
Terry Goodkind is also my favorite author, I have all his work with the exception of the newest book that isn't in paperback yet. I also have all of Terry Brooks' Shannarra series as well as the Landover series. Both excellent authors.

Yes, I have read all of the Landover series and enjoyed them. Never could get into the Shannarra series, though.

My other favorite author (in that genre) is Tad Williams ... I love the Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy ("The Dragonbone Chair," "The Stone of Farewell," and "To Green Angel Tower"). Until I read Goodkind's Sword of Truth series (which I've read all of them to date), this trilogy was my favorite fantasy series.

I also, though, *love* the "Guardians of the Flame" series by Joel Rosenberg.

I believe the books I read by Joe Lansdale were Texas Night Riders (which I didn't know was him until recently) and the Borderlands series (if I have the author correct) that a friend of mine had a copy of. I have been looking around here for more by him but noone has anything. Our bookstore is a PITA though because everything I want they have to order. And god forbid you ask for anything that has an Asian name involved, then they really get confused lol.

Rob

Umm ... "Night Riders" ... I assume you mean "Texas Night Riders" ... I haven't read it. I haven't heard of the Borderlands series ... I'm not sure if that's Joe's or not. I'd have to ask him.

Mike

[Andy Murray]

Are deadly bladed weapons too accessible to irresponsible individuals?

Can anything be done about it?

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Are deadly bladed weapons too accessible to irresponsible individuals?

Can anything be done about it?

Umm ... huh?

What's to be done about it? Not allow people to have knives in their kitchens or restaurants (including cooks and chefs)? Anything that cuts is potentially a "deadly bladed weapon" and that includes *a lot* of useful tools used by people in all walks of life.

Mike

[LilBunnyRabbit]

quote:

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Are deadly bladed weapons too accessible to irresponsible individuals?

Can anything be done about it?


Last time I went on a plane they gave everyone plastic knives instead of real ones. Wouldn't have done much good though since they also gave us all metal forks and spoons.

[Andy Murray]

OK, I asked the question badly.

There have been attempts at controlling Martial Arts weapons and such like over in the UK. Swords and Nunchakus for example are supposed to be transported in an inaccesible fashion e.g. at the bottom of a kit bag. We also had a media ban on Nunchakus.

It all seemed quite pointless really, because anyone could go and buy a rack of Kitchen knives with no control whatsoever.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Personally I'd rather have everyone carrying swords than everyone carrying a gun. At least with bladed weapons if you've both got the same weapon then the skilled person will win, rather than the lucky one, or the one with the gun pointed at the back of the other's head.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by ckdstudent
At least with bladed weapons if you've both got the same weapon then the skilled person will win, rather than the lucky one

Sorry to nitpick ... but it would be better to say that "the skilled person will have the advantage" ... luck is *always* a factor regardless of weapons or skill level. The best fighter in the world can have an "off" day ... or a bug may fly in his mouth at the wrong moment ... or whatever ;-)

Mike

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Now you're being pernickety. :p

The skilled person will have a better chance of winning.

[Krysdaggr]

My favoirte weapons are the tuifa and a stick (escrima). In my dojo we have a class every so often where I say ok grabb a weapon and defend yourself. I always run to the biggest shoe I can find. You could be surprised what you can do to an attacker with a size 13 Nike. Linde

[Andy Murray]

Better yet......a size 13 Stilettoe?

[Darzeka]

I like every one to be able to carry a sword around but then you'd have to let people have knives and other smaller concealable, silent weapons.

At least guns make noise and let you know when it happens barring a high power silenced sniper rifle - too expensive anyway.

A bag full of Ninja Stars equals a bagful of detah in crowded place.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

At least guns make noise and let you know when it happens barring a high power silenced sniper rifle - too expensive anyway.


Or a cheap, silenced handgun. Or a handgun with a rubber bottle nipple over the barrel. Or a silenced handgun fired from a coat pocket, or from a bag, or from close behind someone, or...


A bag full of Ninja Stars equals a bagful of detah in crowded place.

Not really...you've got to be fast enough and accurate enough to throw them to start with, you need to be accurate in order to kill with one since you're not going to be able to penetrate through bone which narrows your targets down to essentially head and neck. And you've got to be fast enough that someone who sees you get out your ninja star and throw it doesn't stop you from throwing the next one.

On top of that have you ever reached into a bag of sharp (and working ones are sharp) objects in a hurry?

[Darzeka]

Correction. They make ninja stars that are designed to break bones - real heavy and sharp.

Accuracy isn't that important in a crowded place, just hit the person and move on.

You won't be in a hurry to get the next one, take you time then there will be less commotion and wear thick gloves.

Most people take little to no notice of what occurs around in a crowded shopping center - espcecially around christmas. They would see someone collapse and keep going.

As long as you kept your movements small and didn't make a big scene you could do it pretty much all day.

If you use a gun it can be traced - you'd just drop the gun but then that gets expensive.
Stars cost about $5-$10 AUS from South East Asia.

We should probaly stop talking like this other wise people will think I'm contemplating a mass murder along with being wierd and crazy.

Hey where did everybody go? < I'll get them > *starts to bag up his stars*

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Correction. They make ninja stars that are designed to break bones - real heavy and sharp.

Which stops them from being light, convenient weapons and turns them into somewhat bulkier things.


Accuracy isn't that important in a crowded place, just hit the person and move on.

Remember we're talking about trying to kill here, so you need to kill them with the first hit, which takes time to aim. Even if they are designed to break bone there's still a high chance of you missing, or just not causing a fatal wound.


You won't be in a hurry to get the next one, take you time then there will be less commotion and wear thick gloves.

Well, there'll be plenty of commotion because you've just killed someone. And the wearing thick gloves in public would be slightly odd to any alert watchers.


Most people take little to no notice of what occurs around in a crowded shopping center - espcecially around christmas. They would see someone collapse and keep going.

To a degree they don't, but screams of pain, large sprays of blood, people collapsing...even in a shopping centre this type of thing gets attention.


As long as you kept your movements small and didn't make a big scene you could do it pretty much all day.

And yet still throw hard enough, fast enough and accurately enough to kill with each shot?


If you use a gun it can be traced - you'd just drop the gun but then that gets expensive.
Stars cost about $5-$10 AUS from South East Asia.

Depends where you are. Here guns are illegal anyway, so tracing really isn't an option since no records are kept except of legal sales. In America an hour or so with a vice and file can make the gun nicely untraceable, as can buying a fourth or fifth-hand gun from a private citizen.


We should probaly stop talking like this other wise people will think I'm contemplating a mass murder along with being wierd and crazy.

You should sit in on one of my gatherings sometime, they get much stranger than this.

[Darzeka]

yeah so do our talks after training.

Guns are traced by their rifling, you remove this you are gonna hurt yourself with an exploding gun.

You know you can fire a shotgun shel with a piece of plastic pipe te length of the brass, a screwcap with a spring loaded pin? cheap easy to use, safe and completely untraceable.

If you really want to mass murder people you'd be better off using a big, heavy car (think 4 wheel drive tankish thing). Ater you fit a few blades, ramming spikes and the like you can drive around killing people at will.

Ninja stars are razor blade sharp, hitting flesh with intention to kill requires only a flick of the wrist. Accuracy isn't that hard to get, just practise. Its more the shape of stars that are designed to break bone than the wieght - they are bulkier though - lob one at someone and it will do damage.

Do you walk around looking at every person for signs of being a mass murderer? People just don't pay attention to other people. You can make throwing the star look like waving to someone, yell out their name then after throwing move off. It would be harder to dodge scrutiny after the 4th or 5th ones but not impossible.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Guns are traced by their rifling, you remove this you are gonna hurt yourself with an exploding gun.

Again, so long as the gun is registered under your name in the first place, which if you're going to be committing mass murder isn't particularly likely.


You know you can fire a shotgun shel with a piece of plastic pipe te length of the brass, a screwcap with a spring loaded pin? cheap easy to use, safe and completely untraceable.

A rocket launcher's almost as easy to make if you just want mass destruction. Or just break a gas line.


If you really want to mass murder people you'd be better off using a big, heavy car (think 4 wheel drive tankish thing). After you fit a few blades, ramming spikes and the like you can drive around killing people at will.

There's no way people're gonna miss that one, and the police will take it out. Failing that the army.


Ninja stars are razor blade sharp, hitting flesh with intention to kill requires only a flick of the wrist. Accuracy isn't that hard to get, just practise. Its more the shape of stars that are designed to break bone than the wieght - they are bulkier though - lob one at someone and it will do damage.

Doesn't matter about the shape, if there's not enough energy in the projectile it won't break bone. A heavier projectile can carry more momentum, and so doesn't need to be thrown as fast to break bone, although you will need to throw it harder.


Do you walk around looking at every person for signs of being a mass murderer? People just don't pay attention to other people. You can make throwing the star look like waving to someone, yell out their name then after throwing move off. It would be harder to dodge scrutiny after the 4th or 5th ones but not impossible.

Uh, yes, I do, but that's not normal so we'll leave it aside. Remember that you're still going to have someone dying, cause of death a large chunk of metal slicing through their flesh. The collapsing, blood, scream and death rattle will generally get attention and cause panic. That'll put anyone on the alert.

Hmm, maybe we should start a mass murder thread. Then again we don't really want to scare people any more than necessary.

[pesilat]

Revisited this thread because I'm working on another article related to it. When I got here, I realized that I had a new post in this old topic.

Lately, I've been playing with whips. They're a lot of fun. That "crack" is so satisfying ... and multiple cracks is even better. Of course, when you screw up, you get bit ... and boy does it sting.

The worst injury I've had happened a few weeks ago. I was practicing some double whip using a 6' whip in each hand. As I came around with my right hand whip, the end of it caught under my heel. I expected to take the handle up over my head and crack the whip in front of me ... instead, the whip (caught under my heel) reached its limit and the handle smashed into my mouth.

I felt the tug at my heel and realized what was about to happen when the handle was about an inch from my mouth. I had just enough time to think, "Oh ... this is gonna hurt." Then it hurt. I had a fat lip for a couple of weeks and it bled every morning when I brushed my teeth.

One of the guys who was watching me said later, "Man, you're scary. You hit yourself in the mouth *hard* ... and your only reaction was laughter."

My response: "What else could I do?"

Mike

[pgm316]

So how much use is a whip in a fight, hard to get the distance and timing just right to hit your opponent and when you hit yourself you managed to laugh it off, sounds a lot of fun though :p

I can use the 3 sectional staff, another weapon that likes to injure it user more than the opponent ;) but its not gonna be off any use for everyday self defence.

The sword is a weapon I like, but again what use will its practice be.

Practice with sticks will probably be of the most value in everyday self defence.

Maybe we should be training with weapons we’re likely to have around, as the sword was when it was originally taught. Maybe things like keys, belts, and the most dangerous weapon we can legally carry, a chain dog lead……….

[pesilat]

Originally posted by pgm316
So how much use is a whip in a fight, hard to get the distance and timing just right to hit your opponent and when you hit yourself you managed to laugh it off, sounds a lot of fun though :p

Actually, the whip can be very practical ... indirectly. I was first introduced to whip work by my uncle (who learned it from an old indian [as in Native American] on a reservation near where my uncle grew up). He also taught me some lasso and throwing knives/axes.

I recently got back into whip because I started training in Sayoc Kali. Sayoc Kali uses the whip to practice projectiles. When you throw a projectile, you use the same wrist flick as used with a whip. So, by practicing with a whip, your projectiles get thrown a lot faster and, if you practice accuracy with your whip, you'll throw with more accuracy. This can (as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, I believe) be applied to *anything* ... coins, a knife, a pen/pencil ... etc. We don't worry so much about "sticking" the projectile (if it's stickable ... though we do practice throwing knives also and try to stick them). They're thrown, primarily, as a distraction while we run or close the distance with our other weapon(s).

On top of which, playing with a whip is *a lot* of fun. It's very cool to know that you're making a little piece of string (the cracker on the end of the whip) break the sound barrier (that's what the "crack" of a whip is).

We also do some work on "combat whip" ... which is also applicable. The same principles can be applied to a jacket, shirt, towel, rag, etc.

To me, the whip is just another flexible weapon (and, if you review this thread and others, you'll find that I'm a *huge* fan of flexible weapons).

Maybe we should be training with weapons we’re likely to have around, as the sword was when it was originally taught. Maybe things like keys, belts, and the most dangerous weapon we can legally carry, a chain dog lead……….

I do practice with things I'm likely to have around :) Review this thread and you'll find a lot of discussion about that.

Mike

[pgm316]

Originally posted by pesilat


I do practice with things I'm likely to have around :) Review this thread and you'll find a lot of discussion about that.

Mike

Ok, I'm back, that was a large thread to catch up on! ;)

I take your point about how many everyday things can be used quite effectively as weapons. But what about purposefully carrying everyday objects that your ready to use as a weapon if need be. I’ve always considered the dogs chain lead as a very effective weapon, I’m surprised how chains aren’t more commonly used! More damaging than sticks and a lot easier to carry, and sort of legal if you have a dog.

[TkdWarrior]

did i ever said
"Weapons sucks big deal, i really hate them"
-TkdWarrior-

[pesilat]

Originally posted by pgm316


Ok, I'm back, that was a large thread to catch up on! ;)

I take your point about how many everyday things can be used quite effectively as weapons. But what about purposefully carrying everyday objects that your ready to use as a weapon if need be. I’ve always considered the dogs chain lead as a very effective weapon, I’m surprised how chains aren’t more commonly used! More damaging than sticks and a lot easier to carry, and sort of legal if you have a dog.

<g> As I mentioned previously, my most commonly carried "weapon" is a book. Anything you carry, you have to have a valid non-self-defense reason to carry or it'll likely be considered a "weapon" by a court.

A dog leash (chain or otherwise) is a great weapon to carry -- if you own a dog.

For me personally, I don't own a dog. The only "weapons" I carry on me are books, my clothes, my car keys, my cell phone (if I had to use it, the $300 - $400 it would cost to replace would be worth it) and, occasionally, a pen or pencil. And, of course, my body.

If I get attacked near my car, I'd have access to a stick, a pool cue, an ice scraper, quite a few books, a couple of knives, and other miscellaneous items. I have a valid reason for most of it to be in my car. I'd grab a book, the pool cue, or the stick first because those are the easiest to explain (the stick gets explained by the fact that I'm a martial arts instructor and I teach stick work). If I used one of the knives, then I might find myself in some hot water so they would be last resorts.

Mike

[Spike]

Chains are getting to be quite common fashion accesories now, a lot of kids are wearing them on their jeans or have their keys or wallets attached to them, most clubs won`t let you in with them but walking about or in a pub is normally okay

[Freeform]

Not if its MY pub, gggggrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

[LilBunnyRabbit]

If I get attacked near my car, I'd have access to a stick, a pool cue, an ice scraper, quite a few books, a couple of knives, and other miscellaneous items.

If I get attacked near any car, I'd have access to a car as a weapon. Same as using a wall, floor, door, table, anything that you couldn't normally lift, instead of hitting your attacker with the weapon, hit the weapon with your attacker. And if you can pick up a car and hit someone with it I don't want to know.

[pgm316]

Originally posted by pesilat


<g> As I mentioned previously, my most commonly carried "weapon" is a book.
Mike

Sorry, I'm far too lazy to read the entire thread! ;)

But what will you do with the book, bore them to death!? :D

Only joking, I can see how a hard backed book could be used to strike pretty hard, and who would accuse you of carrying a weapon! :)

Obviously I can’t carry the chain unless I’m out with the dog, which rules out bar situations. But I still encounter unsavoury groups of people when walking through woods etc with mutt. And, don’t tell me off, but I did test the chain on a few trees and it can take the bark clean off quite easily. So I’m assuming that would end a fight damn quick if you slapped it round someone’s face!

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Only joking, I can see how a hard backed book could be used to strike pretty hard, and who would accuse you of carrying a weapon!

Softbacks work nicely as well if you use the spine.

[Cain]

The fist works better than the book

|Cain|

[SpongeBob]

My favorite is foreward thinking.

Not so much an obvious weapon, but it can help me think what in my surroundings could be a potential weapon. It also helps me to see a situation before it happens and run like hell to get away :D

Not that I'm a wimp you understand, but why should they get a free sparing session when everyone else has to pay at the club :D ah okay then I'm a wimp :D

[pesilat]

I can see how a hard backed book could be used to strike pretty hard

As CKD said:
Softbacks work nicely as well if you use the spine.

Ahh, but that's not the only thing you can do with a book. You can slap with the flat for distraction. You can slap it over their eyes to temporarily blind them. You can throw it as a distraction. You can even, potentially, kill with it by striking with the spine into the trachea. Drop the book in a bag and now you've got a weighted flexible weapon which has all sorts of other possibilities.

And all these are still just the tip of the iceberg as to what's possible.

The fist works better than the book

Depends on the situation and how you use the book.

But, for me, it's always preferable to use an inanimate object that doesn't bleed or feel pain.

Mike

[pgm316]

I agree a soft backed book will work also. But if you carrying a book purposefully for defence, isn’t it best to have the best? Something like a hard backed encyclopaedia should take a gang of hardened street thugies out! :p

[johndoch]

Using the spines not as effective as using a slicing action with the opposite side that opens . This ancient and deadly technique will result in multiple paper cuts and will cause your opponent to bleed to death.:D

[Cain]

Seriously I think Mike's got a point, I think he could even turn a simple sheet of paper into a weapon......I am not experienced even a bit in weapons.

I used the fist as a substitution because a book and a fist cover almost he same range.......but then I could be wrong as I said b'fore I am inexperienced in weapons

And sometimes I think it should stay that way.......it's just me I guess

|Cain|

[johndoch]

I have to admit to being a bit of a nunchaka speed freak. I love the way it can be used to create loadsa power with minimal effort from its user it could even be used by someone in a wheelchair.

Does anyone have any good links for the nunchaka?

With regards to training with nunchaka does anyone else spar with them?

I fight with my mate who tends to use two kali sticks and its great fun even though I tend to get whacked on the hands/forearms quite a bit.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by pgm316
I agree a soft backed book will work also. But if you carrying a book purposefully for defence, isn’t it best to have the best? Something like a hard backed encyclopaedia should take a gang of hardened street thugies out! :p

But that's the whole point. The reason a book is a good choice for me is that I almost always have one available. Not to defend myself with -- it's with me because I read it when I'm eating or taking a break or whatever. So whatever I happen to be reading at the time is what I'll use. And since paperbacks are more portable, they're usually what I have. Though I do occasionally carry hardbacks, too.

My absolute favorite weapon is whatever I happen to grab hold of when the need arises. Anything I don't have access to in that split second is absolutely useless.

I choose not to carry any weapons (i.e.: things specifically carried to be used as such) to avoid possible legal ramifications. As such, I look at everything in my environment as a potential weapon. Even a rock on the ground. If I can pick it up or knock my opponent onto it, then I'll use it as a weapon.

Mike

[johndoch]

"I choose not to carry any weapons (i.e.: things specifically carried to be used as such) to avoid possible legal ramifications. As such, I look at everything in my environment as a potential weapon. Even a rock on the ground. If I can pick it up or knock my opponent onto it, then I'll use it as a weapon."

Yep had a rock smashed into my head by some idiot and I have to say its a pretty effective weapon I was out for the count for about 5-10 secs.

[pesilat]

And as far as my body weapons go, I'm a big fan of forearms/elbows, headbutts, knees/shins. I prefer slaps to fists and, if using a fist, hammer fists to jabs/crosses. My feet primarily get used for stepping/stomping on their feet/shins and for sweeping.

But, as I said before, if I can use something that doesn't bleed or feel pain, then that always takes preference over using my natural tools that do bleed and feel pain :)

Mike

[pgm316]

Fair points about the book, and most books I read are soft back asweel, but used right they'll do as much damage I'd guess!

Although you could carry a rock about and say you just happened to find it on the floor when needed ;)

[pesilat]

Originally posted by pgm316
Fair points about the book, and most books I read are soft back asweel, but used right they'll do as much damage I'd guess!

Although you could carry a rock about and say you just happened to find it on the floor when needed ;)

LOL

Hadn't thought of that :)

Mike

[Spike]

Voice of Prosecution Council: So you found the rock on the floor?
pgm: yes sir
Pros Coun: were there many rocks on the floor of the club?
pgm: umm, yeah, there were loads
Pros Coun: bit odd isn`t it
pgm: no, it was a rock club

[Freeform]

How about throwing the book/rock at your op in a nice casualy arc, and shouting 'Catch!', then kicking him in the nuts!

Did this once, but it was a can of coke and a right cross! ;)

Col

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Freeform
How about throwing the book/rock at your op in a nice casualy arc, and shouting 'Catch!', then kicking him in the nuts!

Did this once, but it was a can of coke and a right cross! ;)

Col

Often effective. But then we're back to, "my body bleeds and feels pain." Why throw away a weapon if I have a better use for it? :)

On the other hand, if I can use it as a distraction and get away clean, then I will. Or, if I have a better weapon available, then I may throw the lesser weapon as a distraction to allow me to get the better one. But if I have to fight and I can get my hands on an inanimate object, then I'll be using it to attack.

Mike

[Freeform]

In my defence I was 16 (with only a meager 4 yrs MA behind me) and he had 2 mates. That happened to the closest guy, the 2nd received a snap kick to the grion by which time the 3rd one had legged it!

I retrieved my unopened can and wandered on home :D

I have, in hindsight, trained with a closed can of juice. My favorite is to use its ends as a extension/hardener for a palm strike.

Colin

[pesilat]

Originally posted by Freeform
In my defence I was 16 (with only a meager 4 yrs MA behind me) and he had 2 mates. That happened to the closest guy, the 2nd received a snap kick to the grion by which time the 3rd one had legged it!

I retrieved my unopened can and wandered on home :D

I have, in hindsight, trained with a closed can of juice. My favorite is to use its ends as a extension/hardener for a palm strike.

Colin

Yup. You can also use it to augment joint locks or (guess you didn't think I'd say this) drop it into a bag or a shirt and use it as a flexible weapon ;)

Mike

[TheStudent]

I have always come to know and feel that anything can become your weapon but nothing better than training yourself further and learning how to make your body a weapon itself. The human body IS the most complex but yet the strongest compaired to many things. There is only two other things stronger and thats the human spirit and determination. Course thats just my opinion, but if I did choose to use an outside weapon it would either be a 9-ring chinese broad sword or a simple bo staff.

But Nothing Beats A Good Old Pair Of Fists! ( And don't say guns can, even though I know someone's going to. Thats just a wusses weapon. Stand and actually fight, don't hide behind your gun over 90 yards from me :p )

[pesilat]

Personally, I can't get with the whole "honor in fighting" concept. To me, getting home safely each night is the most honorable act I can think of. That means I'm not in a hospital, morgue, or jail.

Anything that I can use to help insure that I get home safely each night, that's what I consider honorable.

Therefore, if a gun will help me do that, then I'm gonna take aim and shoot.

A weapon of any sort will almost invariably help prevent me from ending up in the hospital or morgue. That's a good thing in my book.

That just leaves jail. This is why I don't carry things that would be considered "weapons" by default and why I'm such a big fan of improvised weapons and using the environment. This may not keep me out of jail, but it is a preventative measure.

Mike

[khafra]

Originally posted by TheStudent
I have always come to know and feel that anything can become your weapon but nothing better than training yourself further and learning how to make your body a weapon itself. The human body IS the most complex but yet the strongest compaired to many things. There is only two other things stronger and thats the human spirit and determination. Course thats just my opinion, but if I did choose to use an outside weapon it would either be a 9-ring chinese broad sword or a simple bo staff.

But Nothing Beats A Good Old Pair Of Fists! ( And don't say guns can, even though I know someone's going to. Thats just a wusses weapon. Stand and actually fight, don't hide behind your gun over 90 yards from me :p )

For sure, if you can use your own body as a weapon it'll be difficult to disarm you, but let's not go knocking guns just because they're effective and have no unarmed counter when used properly.

I might be biased since a rifle is my best-trained weapon, of course--I'd be 500 yards away instead of 90--but the true safe distance weapon of a coward is a hired assassin, right?

[TheStudent]

Originally posted by pesilat

Anything that I can use to help insure that I get home safely each night, that's what I consider honorable.

Mike [/B]

I can understand your point, but everyone has their own ways, their own codes. I can admit to having a few beatings myself when getting home when I was younger. Of course it always ended up 3 on 1. Fair odds right :mad: But I would have never found any type of honor in suddenly pulling a gun. Of course things like this can sway a beating but then again how will you know if your ever ready if go around using something like that. But anything you can find around you (ie rock, stick, etc.) I know I've done that from time to time. Improvisation is just another key to sharpening your mind, thus bettering yourself.

[pesilat]

Originally posted by TheStudent


I can understand your point, but everyone has their own ways, their own codes. I can admit to having a few beatings myself when getting home when I was younger. Of course it always ended up 3 on 1. Fair odds right :mad: But I would have never found any type of honor in suddenly pulling a gun. Of course things like this can sway a beating but then again how will you know if your ever ready if go around using something like that. But anything you can find around you (ie rock, stick, etc.) I know I've done that from time to time. Improvisation is just another key to sharpening your mind, thus bettering yourself.

Yes, but a beating isn't usually lethal. I would never consider pulling a gun to get out of a beating. I would only consider pulling a gun if I felt my life were in danger, and then I wouldn't just pull it, I'd shoot to kill.

Anyone who would pull a gun as a "deterrent" is, in my book, an idiot. If the situation isn't life threatening then a gun only serves to escalate it to that level.

The same is true of any weapon. They're not meant to be brandished. If I pull a weapon (no matter what it is), it means that I'm about to put someone in the hospital (or worse) to prevent going there myself (or seeing someone else go there). The situation has gone past the stage of "deterrent."

The only "deterrents" I use are my feet (to avoid the situation completely) and my words (to talk my way out). When those fail, then I'm looking at finishing the confrontation as quickly and effectively as possible and will use whatever tools that I (a) have access to and (b) feel are warranted by the situation.

I'm very cautious about pulling/using weapons.

I once had a feeling that my step-son might attack me (he was 19 or 20 at the time, about 6'2" and 220 lbs. with mental problems). I took my knife off of my waistband and put it in a drawer, then put a hairbrush in my pocket. If he did attack me (which, fortunately, he didn't), there would be no risk of me pulling my knife and killing him or of him getting my knife and killing me. The hairbrush would have worked just fine for the level of restraint I'd have been committed to.

But if I felt a firearm were justified, I'd use it and, in my estimation, it would be an honorable act.

Here's a possible example: a SWAT sniper shooting a man who's holding a child hostage and threating to kill the child with a broken beer bottle. I think the sniper's action would be completely honorable.

Another: same sniper shoots a guy who's charging at someone with a tire iron. In my book, completely honorable and justified.

A weapon is just a tool. How and when it's used is what determines the honor of the person using it.

I forget which movie it was in, but there were two guys. One an empty-hand martial art master, the other a marksman. They didn't like each other much, but were forced to work together. At one point, the empty-hand guy says something along the lines of, "Guns are dishonorable." The other replies, "It's not the gun that matters. It's what's done with the bullets that determines the honor." (Or something to that effect. Wish I could remember the movie so I could try to look up the exact quote)

Mike

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Spike
Voice of Prosecution Council: So you found the rock on the floor?
pgm: yes sir
Pros Coun: were there many rocks on the floor of the club?
pgm: umm, yeah, there were loads
Pros Coun: bit odd isn`t it
pgm: no, it was a rock club

lol Fair point, I'll have to stick with the broken bottles ;)

[ROBERT]

My favorite weapon? Intelligence! It will almost always keep you out of a fight, thus keeping you from getting hurt.

I have been in a few scuffles, but I can't remember one time where I was attacked for NO reason. There is almost always a way out of a fight.

Robert

[Aqira]

sorry I know I/m joining this thread late..

I like all kinds of weapons I collect as much as I can.
I have taught different weapons including the kubaton but I prefer a screwdriver to a kubaton because its both a blade and a kubaton and great for carry and use in a car..and it's legal.

My favorite weapon is the khukuri- I have spent more than 20 years studying different khukuri based systems and still find more to learn all the time.

[Cudgel]

well as I can legally carry swords longer than 2 ft in length but cannot carry a double edges thrusting knife. Stupid california. I stick with poket knives and swords and sticks and fists and anything I pick up. And when I can afford a hand gun I shall purchase one and carry it openly and then concealed when i can get the permit. but right ow I have 3 small poket knives ion my person one is designated my fighitng knife as its got a nice cliped point for thrusting. But I would rather not have to use it to defend myself as I no littel about knife fighting.

And Honor is found in the act not the tools.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

And Honor is found in the act not the tools.

Keep your honour, I'll stick with walking away, no matter what dirty tricks I have to pull to do so.

[Brad Ellin]

Personally, I like the cane or walking stick. I have to use one more days than not, plus it's legal. I have yet had one confiscated or questioned my legitimancy in carrying it. And honestly, as noble as walking away or talking your way out of a confrontation (and beleive me, that is always my first choice of action) there are simply some people who do not know when to quit or when they are already beat. The cane gives me an edge in some cases and levels the playing field in others.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

And honestly, as noble as walking away or talking your way out of a confrontation

Sorry, I didn't quite mean walking away like that. I actually meant walking away as in you being the person left standing.

[kobudo_tob]

I'm recently taken a shine to the Eiku - the boar oar.

Its like a staff........but..........the sand throw!!!! MWAHAHAHA

[Cain]

What can beat a good BFG10K from Quake III ;)

My favourite weapon would be anything I can get my hands onto :D

|Cain|

[Bushido_Kai]

i'm sorry i joined this post late. wish i coulda got in on it sooner. about a year ago i went to a grappling semenar in Branson, MO put where i also took a class on the bokan. i fell in love with it. i regret saying that i had broken my boken several months ago and being an 18 yr old student getting ready to graduate, register for college, and move out this summer, i have had little funds to purchase a new one. soon though i'll get another one and start practicing. my martial arts class however does not offer any weapons training. if anyone in the springfield, mo area usa would be interested in teaching bokan i would be very grateful and more than willing to compensate for class. later.

[JediMasterChris]

My favourite weapons are; Katana,Dai-Katana,and Boken...:woo:

[Cudgel]

I broke my bokken a month ago big deal it was 15 Dollars and it decided that My twohanded blow was too much and split down most of its length. cest la vie

next I will buy one made of hickory. And a few wasters of hickory.

How long is Dai katana? I favor the no dachi my self out of all the Japanese swords.

[JediMasterChris]

My no dachi is 4"9 I think...very heavy and hard to hold at first, My Shinai is 40" and my katana is 37' including the handle...I prefer most of the long blades...I used to use a wakasashi because it was fast but not anymore...:woo:

[Cudgel]

how tall are you?

a shinai that I use is 47 in total with 34 in of striking surface
and the remains of my bokken are about 40 in with 30 in of striking surface. but my favorite right now is my knife.

But Im growing tired of swords and am now going to learn knife fighting


And rember kids the motto of todays show is cheap hard wood bokkens break easily or you get what you pay for.

[JediMasterChris]

I am 6 feet short.:woo:

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Here's a little tip. You can carry a bat in your car, and as long as you also have a glove the cops won't bat an eye, so to speak.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

The problem with carrying weapons in your car, is that you're not too likely to be attacked going at 70 down a motorway.

[Cudgel]

so Am I 6 feet short yep sure seems like dont it. yeah you Katana seesm to be teh right size for your height. Weird isnt who you are suposed to use this bitsy little sword twohanded. I've used singel handed swords longer.


Any ways so who else has a broken oaken boken (say that three time fast)

[Dante]

The ken is an enjoyable weapon, especially for Japanese style based hybrid techniques (it's basically a straight edged, double bladed katana, forged in a similar style). Used basically like a Chinese long-sword, but with a few idiosincrasies due to it's balance & weight that Katana wielders will be familiar with.

;O)

[Fist Of Legend]

My favourite weapons are "toya" (stick) and my "golok" (kinda like a machette)

[Darkflames21]

The sai, Katana, and Bo, all the way.

[Shyguy]

I've recently found a 3 sectional nunchaku on the internet and plan to but it. This might be my new fav weapon

[Saz]

Originally posted by Shyguy
This might be my new fav weapon

Until you K.O yourself because you haven't had any formal training in it...

[47Ronin]

Nunchaku? You mean staff?

I doubt you will be able to use it at all. I'm sick of trying to help people and tell them not to buy things they have no clue to use.

HAVE FUN, hope you don't hit yourself in the head (waith that is inevitable................)

[Shaolin Dragon]

Even after years of training with nunchaku, the first time I tried to use three sectional staff (under supervision, I hasten to add) I hit myself more times than I got the weapon to do what I wanted it to.

[shunyadragon]

My favorite weapon is no weapon. Using a cane or walking staff are acceptable and can be used as weapons.

Weapons impart the Qi of violence and are not compatable with the original purpose of the Arts of the Way.

I practice with weapons for the purpose of knowing them and not fearing them, not to use them.

[Qiao_AS89]

I usually just practice with my brother in our backyard. He usually uses a kung-fu broad sword (It's wooden), although he is not trained in it at all, and I sometimes use the sai (I'm not trained, so I use these hard plastic ones). My favorite weapons are the sai and the fan. As soon as we get enough money to afford a teacher, my brother and I will join a school. Fans are super cool.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Weapons impart the Qi of violence and are not compatable with the original purpose of the Arts of the Way.

Which Way is that? Personally my Way involves doing whatever is necessary to make sure that I don't get hurt, whether or not that involves weapons or anything else.

[Xia]

My favorite weapon is either the Isreali Jericho 941 Handgun or Traditional Tiger Hook Swords.

[NickDanzinger]

Blow gun or hunting slingshot. :D

[undead_ninja]

I'm partial to the naginata my self... but since i dont carry one with me down the street i hav a chain on my wallet and keyring

[Dark Blade]

Katana, Bo and Bokken right now! I tend to vary in what I like periodically :p Katana's always in the list though! :D

[Redhotdragon]

nunchaku :-)

[Buddroux]

I like nunchaku ... and staff.. but for long range .303 or 9mm

[Trent Tiemeyer]

My favorite weapon is the mind.





















Seriously, it might not hurt to get hit with one, but it's really messy and you get sick trying to clean it off of you, allowing me to escape.

[Seito]

My Fists are all the waepon i need but if i had to choose a another weapon it would definetly be. .....the BO:D

[Splinter]

I would like my fav weapon to be the european flail, but sciance I'm not into accidentaly killing myself I use the Tonfa

[Splinter]

Sorry about the spelling

So use the EDIT button! : Yoda

[The Kestrel]

I like the spear, Quick, deadly if you want, long, forgives mistakes easily. Ive saw myself, a mistake with the spear may turn into a really powerful move.
i like it.
http://dgdn.net/forum/html/emoticons/bouncing.gif

[Thokk]

Ive trained with the kubotan and blades and some kali. So many weapons to learn, so little money to pay :(

[Mig]

I've only trained with a few|( Out of what I know... Nunchucks. Out of what I don't know but have an opportunity to get my grubby mits on for a minute or two, definitely the Katana.

[Goju]

Ill soon have my hunting and gun license, but I have used some of my dads rifles already and I love the 12 gauge pump action and the semi auto .22 rifle, even though its small, Its fun as hell to use, like a pellet gun, that shoots bullets. lol. I like the bo , but I'd rather use the flexible chinese one rather than the rattan japanese one. I havent learned them yet but the sais are cool too.

[xuande]

That I considered myself proficient at, I'd go with the steel fan. For elegance the chinese straight sword (gim), for sparring a diamond head spear. For everything else my feet, just watch how quickly they make me disappear.

[Mordred]

Originally posted by Kurohana
Personally, I like the cane or walking stick. I have to use one more days than not, plus it's legal. I have yet had one confiscated or questioned my legitimancy in carrying it. And honestly, as noble as walking away or talking your way out of a confrontation (and beleive me, that is always my first choice of action) there are simply some people who do not know when to quit or when they are already beat. The cane gives me an edge in some cases and levels the playing field in others.

I agree.

Any technique I learned with the hanbo can be done with the cane. Also, as Andy said earlier in this post, its difficult to hurt yourself with a staff / cane / hanbo

The kursari-fundo is also a great weapon, which can be replaced with a rope, belt, etc.

[Jewbacca]

http://penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040105l.jpg

Cardboard tube. I rest my case. :D

In all honesty, I prefer the cane, as many times as I've said it. I understand the whole discipline principle of weapons training, but I see no practical use for them if you're not able to protect yourself with them in public.

[HeadKick44]

Definently cane

[Furikuchan]

Give me my tonfa and bo over some of this stuff any day...
Okay, if you want something really exotic, then I'll go with naginata. A lot of my bo technique can transfer over to the weapon, but it becomes more of a finesse weapon when you get into slashing techniques. It takes a lot of skill to wield properly.

[Cudgel]

Naginata thats like my 6th favorite weapon. :)

[Stolenbjorn]

I like the spear, Quick, deadly if you want, long, forgives mistakes easily. Ive saw myself, a mistake with the spear may turn into a really powerful move.
i like it.
http://dgdn.net/forum/html/emoticons/bouncing.gif

What school?

-Self taught?
-EMA? (-What style?)
-WMA? (-What style?)

[El Tejon]

Andy, how can we limit it to just one? :D

Favorite: hmmm, probably baat jam dao as taught in Wing Chun, followed by three sectional staff as taught in mantis boxing.

Weapon I've done the most damage with: the radio! :D

[brown belt]

i was looking on a web sit for small pocket sized weapons and i saw the Kuboton keyring things i was wondering how they are used and if anyone knows a site where i can see any techniques for them.

[El Tejon]

Hi, brown belt, I've had several classes in kubotan through Lethal Force Institute here in the States. There is an instructor near me.

The kubotan is used to strike or to enhance qin na or pressure points for compliance in passive resistance situations.

You can e-mail Mas Ayoob at LFI for an instructor over there. Hope this helps.

[Sphyerion]

My favorite weapon is the sword. Any curved blade of any length is fine for me. Straight is okay as well, but I think it detracts from my style...

[dustIn credible]

Like Pesilat said I think clothing can be super effiective....pull someone shirt over their head.....cant see can fight........but as for edged weapons i like short double stick swords or katanas.........flexible is great though like 2' bamboo stick.......for those of you that havent felt them.whooooooo they sting

[Cudgel]

how is a short stick an edged weapon?
And Bamboo???? Maybe you mean rattan which looks like bamboo but can actually be used to strike with, with out shattering.

[Sphyerion]

I think he does meen bamboo... chinese sword styles can be used with the bamboo stick =)

[dustIn credible]

the Bamboo is Bamboo....its used like a Gung Fu soft weapons....flexible and alive.......the sticks are old ancient Chinese weapons essientally sticks that have short broadswords inside them.......stealth weapons.......also called ninja stick swords

here are links to some of the ones that i have no exactly the same but you'll get the idea

http://www.steelarms.com/images/xl723b.jpg

http://www.gungfu.com/pics_info_pages/dragon_stick_sword.htm

i like katanas to much the first one is only like 2 feet long some your can carry it with you as a sortof baton if you want to but the blades are there if you need them u know

[brown belt]

Hey El Tejon I really wanna kno how to use the kobutan so I was wpndering if you know any sires where I can find instructions or images on how to use it. If u have anything you can share with me could u please send me an email or something at brown_belt@hotmail.com.
Thanx hope to speak to you soon

[El Tejon]

brown, sorry, don't know of any website addresses to help you. Maybe write Massad Ayoob and see if he knows of any instructors over there?

The book he gives us in "Official Kubotan techniques" by Takayuki Kubota and John G. Peters, Jr. Maybe find that on the net or over there.

I know the UK has far, far different laws on weaponry. Kubotan training legal over there? :confused:

[Chase]

The weapon i like best is the kubotan and i would use it if needed(i made up a custom one and its like and mini set of nunchakus) other ones are the knife (but i would not use it) the type i like is the fan knife (balasong i no i have spelled it wrong)

Hi Joseki, I use a lot of weapons, but my favorites are blades & palm sticks if you don't count my garden cultivator, which is my new favorite. :D

Ingat ka,

[guran]

Hey El Tejon I really wanna kno how to use the kobutan so I was wpndering if you know any sires where I can find instructions or images on how to use it. If u have anything you can share with me could u please send me an email or something at brown_belt@hotmail.com.
Thanx hope to speak to you soon

Kubotan video: http://www.kohokan.net/id38.htm

[Gallameed]

A guy I used to train with was practicing disarms with a Live Blade. the knife in question was a large heavy 'Rambo' style knife I only ever use for scaring Students with. Said disarm went well until the knife fell point first and pinned the poor chaps 'bare' foot to the floor!

Another guy got a similar knife through his bicep at a Black Belt Grading!

I don't teach knife work, I'll leave that to the experts like Mike.

One thing I do though is;

Get the students to bring in an old light coloured T shirt. I then issue them with a variety of colours of indelible Marker pens. They just lay into each other with the Markers. It's great fun, and it gets the point across, as it takes a couple of days to get the marks off your skin.


That idea rules! Consider it stolen! :D

[Mushroom]

At home, we got a rubber Sam-ji-gwun (3 sectioned staff i think the name is). We just use it for fun and smaking each each other with it. No idea how to use it properly, but we have destroyed many vases!
Failed to learn the first lesson - never use indoors.

[Stick]

1. tsue - cane
2. shillelagh
3. jo - short staff
4. bo - long staff

[spaaaacepimp]

I think we can all agree that the most awsome weapon ever consived is the staff used by the rangers in Babalon 5. I simpliciy, consiliability, and deadlyness would make any MA conasure proud.
(for those who are not blessed enough to know what Im talking about, it is basicly a 5 to 4 foot retractable metalic staff that can be compressed to about 4 inches and is expanded by simply shaking it twice verticaly) :p

[Unforgiven]

tonfao aka night stick... :D

[Aka-ryuu]

I have two favorite weapons: The Naginata and the Twin daggers (dragon teeth). The naginata is such a beautiful weapon to use, and the dragon teeth (upside down) are fast, easily concealable, and deadly.

[MingTheMerciles]

Naginata , Yumi and Katana

[chrispy]

My favourite is the Sai, since I practice karate I feel it's an easy leap to the sai as they are short range, and add protection on blocks and an even more focused point with either the butt or pointy end on punches. or whiping them from closed to open on other types of strikes.

[SimonM]

My favorite weapon is my Longquan Mei Hua Bao Jian. My #2 is my Pear Wood Spring Autumn Sword.

[texas doc]

katana and sai were the first weapons I began training with, and are still my favorites.

[Ragnarok2005]

AK47.

Or a tonfa. They're just so solid it's scary. You tap someones neck with it and they go all wobbly at the knees. It'd be lethal to give somebody a reinforced elbow strike.

[josoman]

1) Dan Bong
2) Tanbo
3) Jo staff

Because of my build and the way I train, I prefer to be in close.

[MingTheMerciles]

Naginata , Yumi and Katana

If u are refering to close combat - I would take out the Yumi and put in Jo .

[Shien]

1) nunchaku
2) staff
3) Tss


man..., why lots of ppl hate three section staff ? :confused:

[Alansmurf]

my little piece of broom handle I have used for 20 years or so.....

24 inches long and very versatile !!! :Angel:

[MingTheMerciles]

I realise what my favourite weapon really is !!!!! Chopstick !!!!!!

[Othergear]

Anybody out there actually any good with shaken/shuriken?

I am, traditionally speaking. If you want to talk about using these new movie-prop artworks they sell everywhere, I can't really help, but if you'd like help with traditional, try here:

http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.au/

Later,
-Savage Insight

[aikidoka-je]

i like throwing knives and katanas myself

[Kurtka Jerker]

Naginata, jumonji yari, about any spear or bo, bo shuriken. So fun.

[Nii]

Don't underestimate the mighty fork.

[Lily]

Traditional - bo and katana

Non-traditional - broomstick or handbag

[koyo]

MEL GIBSON oops wrong thread..

The jo because it can cut and strike like sword,thrust and lock like a spear and sweep like a naginata.

koyo

[Lily]

Good choice koyo (not Mel!). I think you're a weapon in yourself though :D

[koyo]

Good choice koyo (not Mel!). I think you're a weapon in yourself though :D

I told Mrs Koyo you were comparing me to Mel Gibson (hey poetic license lethal weapon and all that)
I would post her responce but she is still rolling on the floor. :D

How is the training going?

best regards the koyos

[Moi]

Have to be a gun.

[Taffyleigh]

the bumper of my car!!! seriously never had much training with weapons apart from disarming them, would love to learn how to use nunchuk's though.

[koyo]

Have to be a gun.

You can always buy one at your nearest army base :Angel:

regards koyo

[Kogusoku]

You can always buy one at your nearest army base :Angel:

regards koyo

Yikes, you would have to mention the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders wouldn't ya? :p

[koyo]

Yikes, you would have to mention the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders wouldn't ya? :p

You realise the muppets sold them to Glasgow gangs. Maybe that's the answer to getting knifes off the streets.

regards koyo

[Bigshot]

Bleargh! sat range, i hate sat ranges!

Favorite weapon, has to be either a butterfly axe or two hatchets.

phill

[armanox]

the bumper of my car!!! seriously never had much training with weapons apart from disarming them, would love to learn how to use nunchuk's though.
So....it's acceptable for me to hit someone with my '87 Crown Vic?
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/armanox/vic.jpg

I prefer my sais, personally.

[Yohan]

So far I'm a big fan of the Ruger 9mm, and any .22 revolver. I also like kali sticks and knives.

[Yohan]

I prefer my sais, personally.

And that's alright with me. I'd rather get in a fight with you whilst weilding sais than an 87' crown vic.

[Lily]

I prefer my sais, personally.

Christ on a stick!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is SAI, not sais!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woo:

[ScottUK]

Hehe nonsense. I love my katanas... ;)

[armanox]

Christ on a stick!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is SAI, not sais!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woo:
You are correct, I apologize.

[Damien Alexander]

My new fav is an 18 in Kukri one of my students gave me.
It is proper with a razor sharp edge!
In a different world, it would be my choice right next to a Ginunting.
I've know of CP guys who carry 12in kukris in custom shoulder harnesses.

Outside of that,due to legalities..

I prefer the Winchester extendable Baton.
BANNED from the UK the very same day it debuted here!

And since I live in the UK where damn near everything is illegal...
I love my walking cane ;)

[Lad_Gorg]

My favourite weapon (weaponS sorry:rolleyes:) will have to be Nunchaku, Zai, tonfa, Sanjigun (can't use to save my life though!! they hurt:cry:), Gim, staff, and I love me a good Katana at hand!!
Strangly I've always had a thing for the jutte, but I can never find a cheap jutte. And there is pretty much no information on how to use them at all!!

[Sarah the Sane]

My favorite weapon is probably the rope. Ideally a piece 2 to 3 feet long. Great for striking, choking, blocks, throws, you name it. The best part is, you don't even have to use a real rope. A rolled up t shirt, or a belt works perfectly, too.

[BruceLee94]

I like the Escrima, boy do they strengthen your wrists, i had ordered nunchuks as well, they're not very practical for self defense, or even as a weapon, but they look really cool, and are good to play with (the foam or rubber coated ones, if i used a wooden one before i practiced a lot, then i'd probably be did in 2 minutes lol)