Splitting the rhythm of Heaven Six

[Chase]

Hi, A few years ago I learned a set of movements off Heaven Six I only know as "Splitting the Rhythm," & it involves dividing each one of the movements into three. Do any of you know these movements by another name?:confused:


Thanx,
Chase

[Charbodan]

Sound interesting. Haven't heard of it?

Is it similar to Radonda?

Can you describe what happens in this technique?

[Chase]

Hi Charbodan, Yeah, for me Heaven Six starts with a right downward strike that goes down the centerline ending at the bellybutton unless stopped by opponent's weapon, and then retracted along the left shoulder as the left sweeps down to ankle, bringing the right weapon from left shoulder down center, then left, retracting to right shoulder, then sweep with right to right anke finishing with left down center. In Splitting the Rhythm, each position is met with three. For instance, in left sweep with right it is followed by left, then right stike through. I never heard of Redonda, unless you mean Redondo is a technique with sort of the same side to side motion.
Take Care,

Chase

[dredleviathan]

Do you mean splitting the entire 6-count into two 3-counts or each of the individual moves into 3 (i.e. an 18-count, which I can't really imagine)?

If the latter I have no idea. If the former we just call it Heaven-3. ie. you do a 3-count with a right lead and then repeat it on the left.

Generally the 3-counts are taught right at the beginning to get someone up and running with Heaven-6 and then you try to stop them doing 2 lots of 3... so that the rythmn is 6 strikes one after the other.

Once the Heaven-6 drill is down pat we tend to interupt the pattern by breaking the rhythm at various points in the drill. One example we call Odd-3 or Odd-6 (depending). Basically in this the rhythm is interupted after the 1st hit on each side by retracting it back (i.e. a witik rather than a lobtik) in various ways - straight back chambered, or back into a roof (ruf) block, or an umbrella (payong).

Having said that there are many drills that you can do off the base Heaven-6 drill that split the rhythm in various ways. Its really just a matter of playing about with something that otherwise becomes a bit habit forming - I would say put 2 sticks into the majority of my class mate's hands and they would instantly launch in to Heaven-6... its great in the Summer when you haven't got a fan :D

Who did you learn the drill from in the first place?

Dred

[Chase]

Hi dred, I do it both ways: Heaven 6 to a three, back to Heaven 6, then 3 in a different position & back into Heaven 6 until I've worked every position of Heaven 6, and Heaven 6 to an 18, then back into Heaven 6. The guy's name was Larry McCraw. He had learned from many teachers like Dan Inosanto, Steve Grody, Vunac, and some I'd never heard of. Using Heaven 6, he taught me to weave in and out of a lot of things like Sumbradda, & Seradda. Do you practice a certain style?
Take Care,
Chase

[shootodog]

radonda? heaven and earth? from what i gathered from your post it could be a tick-bang radonda or a tick- bang heaven and earth. does the rythm sound like a tinikling dance?

tatak tak tak tak tak? or is it tak tak tak tatak tak tak?

[Chase]

radonda? heaven and earth? from what i gathered from your post it could be a tick-bang radonda or a tick- bang heaven and earth. does the rythm sound like a tinikling dance?

tatak tak tak tak tak? or is it tak tak tak tatak tak tak?

Hi shootodog, It's been awhile since I had the oportunity to beat sticks, but the Heaven 6 sounds something like the latter, only there's six beats & the Splitting the Rythm like tatatak, tatatak,tatatak, tatatak, tatatak, tatatak. I'm not sure what a Radonda is.
Take Care,

Chase

[shootodog]

Hi shootodog, It's been awhile since I had the oportunity to beat sticks, but the Heaven 6 sounds something like the latter, only there's six beats & the Splitting the Rythm like tatatak, tatatak,tatatak, tatatak, tatatak, tatatak. I'm not sure what a Radonda is.
Take Care,

Chase


ah, ok. it follows the tinikling half beats "tatatak-right then tatatak-left". all on the heaven. it's just called heaven (langit), the splitting of the beats is just one of the variations used to diversify your control over the bastons. also, it helps in your attack timing when you actually spar.

well, i suppose that's it. i could be wrong.

gumagalang (respectfully)


s

[Chase]

xxx
Hi S, Thanks very much, your post was very informative. Langit, huh? I do a lot of variations off it, & am inventing more all the time because I want to keep changing the rythm. When I get comfortable with a certain rythm, it's time to move on.
Thanx again,
Take Care,
Chase

[shootodog]

funny thing i noticed about fma, it involves most of your senses. in learning it, you have to see it, hear it, feel it! some say that tasting the blood in your mouth and smelling it is also part of it.

[dredleviathan]

Shooto... a good point.

From what I have been told this is one reason that people were/are sometimes trained in groups of 3 i.e. at any one point there is 1 observer, 1 attacker and 1 defender... as you switch around you get to experience from various perspectives.

My Muay Thai instructor also used this structure sometimes for controlled sparring but in this case the observer works more as a coach so has to really think about what is going on with the other two whilst providing a running commentary.

Of course in both examples it is a controlled environment and therefore you do also need to see, hear, feel, taste and smell in a situation nearing reality... that's where I want to get to next.

Dred

[shootodog]

another thing about fma is the love for the number three and the applications of the triangle.

[Chase]

funny thing i noticed about fma, it involves most of your senses. in learning it, you have to see it, hear it, feel it! some say that tasting the blood in your mouth and smelling it is also part of it.


Hi S, The training of the senses, plus the adaptability of the FMA are two of the leading reasons I love them so much. That, & the use of all those weapons!

Plus, it's a good art to learn to read the movement of the opponent. ;)

[shootodog]

Hi S, The training of the senses, plus the adaptability of the FMA are two of the leading reasons I love them so much. That, & the use of all those weapons!

Plus, it's a good art to learn to read the movement of the opponent. ;)

wait till you get a hang of the empty hands!

[Chase]

wait till you get a hang of the empty hands!
He! He! Hi S, Between weapons I do empty hand, everything I do with a weapon, I do with empty hand. What weapon is the hardest for you to use? For me, its flexible weapons as well as long weapons, you know, those that take two hands. They tend to get stuck in the chair or bounce off the tires. ;)